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KENAI CITY COUNCIL - R$GUJ= MEETING
OCTOBER 6o 1993
7100 P.M.
KENAI CITY COUNCIL CMUIDERB
1. Pledge of Allegiance
2. Roll Call
3. Agenda Approval
4. Consent Agenda
*All items listed with an asterisk are considered
to be routine and non -controversial by the Council and
will be approved by one motion. There will be no
separate discussion of these items unless a Council
Member so requests, in which case the item will be
removed from the Consent Agenda and considered in its
normal sequence on the agenda as part of the General
Orders,
BCHLDOLED PUBLIC CORD MT (10 Minutes)
1. Ordinance No. 1567-93 - Repealing Ordinance No. 1133-86
and Replacing it With Ordinance No. 1567-93, Changing
the Structure of the Townsite Historic District and
Creating a Historic District Board.
2. Ordinance No. 1568-93 - Amending KMC 14.25.020 to Add
Townsite Historic (TSH) District to the Definition of
"Commercial and Industrial Development" as It Applies
to Applications for Landscaping/Site Plan Regulation.
3. Ordinance No. 1569-93 - Amending the official City of
Kenai Zoning Map for Certain Lands Described as a
Portion of Section 5 & 61 TSN, R11W, Townsite Historic
Zone.
4. Ordinance No. 1570-93 - Amending the Land Use Table to
Include Townsite Historic Zone.
5. Resolution No. 93-77 - Accepting a Grant From the State
of Alaska, Department of Environmental Conservation for
Thompson Park Water and Sewer Mains.
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1. Council on Aging
2. Airport Commission
3. Harbor commission
4. Library Commission
5. Parks & Recreation Commission
6. Planning & Zoning Commission
7. Miscellaneous Commissions and Committees
1. *Regular Meeting of September 15, 1993.
0. OLD BU8INS88
1. Discussion - AHL Dues Structure
H. NEW BUBINSss
1. Bills to be Paid, Bills to be Ratified
2. Purchase Orders Exceeding $1,000
3. *Ordinance No. 1573-93 - Increasing Estimated Revenues
and appropriations by $1,950,000 in the Thompson Park
Water and Sewer Lines Capital Project Fund.
4. Discussion - Airport Gift Shop - Request for Rent
Reduction.
5. Discussion - Airport Commission - Recommendation to
Designate Five Parking spaces at South End of. Terminal
for Car Rental Use.
6. Discussion - Eichholt2/Pitts - Lot 4; Block 1, FBO
subdivision - Request for Extensions of Construction
Schedule.
7. Discussion - Airport Lounge - Request for Neon Sign•
8. Approval - surplus Motor Starters/Sewer Treatment
Plant,
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Mayor
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City Manager
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Attorney .
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City Clerk.
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Finance Director
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Public Works Director
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Airport Manager
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Citizens (five minutes)
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KENAI CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 6, 1993
7t00 P.M.
KENAI CITY COUNCIL CEAMBERS
MAYOR JOHN J. WILLIAMS, PRESIDING
Mayor Williams called the meeting to order at approximately 7:04
p.m. in the Council Chambers in the Kenai City Hall Building.
Mayor Williams led those assembled in the Pledge of Allegiance.
A-2.
MOLL CALL
Roll was taken by the City Clerk. Present were: Smalley,
Williams, Bookey, Swarner, Monfor and Measles.
A-S.
Mayor Williams requested the following changes to the agenda:
ADD$ B-1, Dan Van$ee - Rental car parking spaces/Kenai
Airport/south end of terminal building.
G-1, Additional Information - 10/1/93 R.Underkofler
letter regarding KPB Resolution 93-111 - AML Dues.
N-9, Discussion - Recreation Center Gym User Fees,
I-6, 10/4/93 KK letter to DOT/PF regarding the Kenai
Spur Highway Urban Section (summary of 9/29/93 meeting
at Kenai City Hall).
Information item No. 18 - 9/17/93 D.T. Foley, Plant
Manager, North Pacific Processors/Kenai Packers,
regarding closure of Kenai Packers.
REMOVE: E-S AND E-7 - Administration has come to an agreement
with KABA and Mr. Schilling in regard to the parking
and neon sign issues and therefore discussion is not
required at this time.
MOTION:
Councilman Smalley MOVED for approval of the amended agenda and
requested UNANIMOUS CONSENT. There were no objections. SO
ORDERED.
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There were no changes to the Consent Agenda.
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MOTIONs
Councilman Smalley MOVED for approval of the consent agenda as
presented. Councilwoman Swarner SECONDED the motion. There were
no objections. 80 ORDERED.
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8-1. Dan VanZee - Rental car parking spaces/Kenai
Airport/south end of terminal building.
City Manager Manninen explained car rental agencies have
requested the use of five parking spaces at the south end of the
terminal. Manninen added Airport Manager Ernst reported at the
staff meeting an agreement had been worked out between himself
and rental agencies and the matter was removed from the agenda.
After 4:00 p.m. today, Dan VanZee telephoned the City Clerk and
stated there was no agreement in regard to the parking spaces.
Manninen stated the matter has taken enough of Council's time and
should be handled administratively, allowing the Airport Manager
to work out an agreement. Manninen added he believed VanZee
should be able to represent the Kenai Airport Business Alliance
(KABA). Manninen stated he would rather the parking space
agreement be worked out on a 30-60-90 day probationary period,
trial basis.
Dan VanZee - Introduced himself as the operator of Hertz at the
airport. VanZee referred to his statement included in the packet
at Item H-5. VanZee stated they too believe an agreement should
be handled administratively. VanZee stated he was approached by
Ernst and they discussed the parking spaces and agreed to a
compromise. VanZee stated at the end of that conversation he did
not believe he had the authority to speak for all of the rental
agencies. VanZee added he proposed the compromise and does not
have a reason to disbelieve that there can be a compromise.
VanZee stated the KABA Board said the discussion should be before
Council. VanZee added he did not speak for KABA or the Airport
Commission. The Airport Commission brought the item forward
through Ernst. VanZee stated he thought it time for the item to
be discussed as five or six months have gone by since the idea
. was brought up. The rental agencies feel they have the right to
use the spaces in front of the terminal. VanZee stated their
leases allow for it.
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Manninen responded saying at this time, speaking for himself and
administration, they want a closure to the discussion. . However,,
that does not mean the rental agencies have a right to the
parking spaces in front of the terminal. Manninen added they
want the leases to be successful. Manninen stated the rental
agencies' leases do not reflect VanZee's statement as to the
right to parking spaces in front of the terminal, nor is there
any contractual right to them. Manninen stated administration's
policy is they are here to help.
Williams asked Council if they had any comments. There were
none. Williams stated Council should be directed to handle the
matter administratively, listening to both sides and handled that
way. There were no objections from Council.
C-1, Ordiaaaai No. 1567-93 - Repealing Ordinance No. 1133-86
and Replacing it With ordinance No. 1567-94, Changing
the Structure of the Townsite Historic District and
Creating a Historic District Board,
XOTtON:
Councilman Smalley MOVED for the adoption of Ordinance No. 1567-
93 and Councilwoman Monfor SECONDED the motion.
Public Comments:
Sandra Vosar - Owner of Toyon Village Apartments and Beluga RV
Park. Vozar stated her property was first zoned as General
Commercial. Vozar stated she was unaware their zoning was
changed to Townsite Historic (TSH). Vozar stated she believed
the property owners should have been notified. Vozar stated she
submitted an application to change the zoning.application,back to
General Commercial. A copy of the zoning application is included
in Council's packet for their information. Vozar stated she
would like her property and that of Bay Arms Apartments.(she
stated she was speaking for the owner) out of the TSH zone.
Dorothy MCCard - Representing the Holy ,Assumption Russian.
Orthodox Church who is the largest landowner in'Old Town (15
acres). McCard gave general history of.the Church. McCard
stated the Church completely supports the boundaries proposed by
the Townsite Historic Task Force (TSHTF). McCard stated Council.
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should ask themselves whether they can live with the careless
destruction of the bluff. McCard added people come to Kenai for
the history, not for shopping. Old Town is a historic area.
McCard requested Council to not compromise the size -of the area;
to make their decision carefully; and to disregard the boundary
proposed by Planning & Zoning. McCard stated the Church will not
accept any other boundary other than those presented by the Task
Force.
Karen Mahurin - Mahurin stated she has lived in Kenai for 24
years and enjoys visiting the Old Town area. Mahurin stated Old
Town is the focus of the city, i.e. the landscape, tourists and
people who live there. Mahurin stated her concern for the bluff
and encouraged Council to adopt the ordinance. Mahurin stated
she likes the idea of a historical district board and does not
want commercial development in the area.
Roger Meeks - Meeks stated he was a member of the Task Force from
the beginning. Meeks stated he was under the impression that the
people in the area had all been notified and had a chance to
comment. Meeks stated he believed they had not been. Meeks
stated he does not want to be a part of forcing people to do
something they do not want to do. Meeks stated Council needs to
think of the people that live there first. The City needs the
tourism, but asked that the people living in that area not be
sacrificed for the sake of tourism.
Meeks urged Council to look closely and keep the zone as small as
possible and develop what they want to develop. Meeks added the
biggest majority of the historic townsite is already developed.
Meeks suggested the property needing to be included is the area
for the Heritage Village and below the bluff. Meeks urged the
Council to concentrate on the area below the bluff.
Ed Segura - Born in Kenai in 1923. Requested the City/Council
leave some of his heritage. It would be good for his culture.
Jim Arness - Was a member of the Task Force. Arness stated the
Task Force was involved in rewriting the existing ordinance and
recommended changes to the boundaries. The Task Force also made
a list of possible projects for after the Board is set.
0Arness stated the intent of the Task Force was based on the
concern for the approach taken by Planning & Zoning. P&Z's
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approach was to leave the ordinance as it exists and restrict the
use of the land mass involved. At that time, the Task Force was,
created to review the matter.
Arness stated his opinion is the ordinance has had some
superficial changes, i.e. establishment of a board to work with
P&Z in an advisory role. P&Z and the Task Force reviewed and
compared their findings in a work session. P&Z agreed to the
board because it has no enforcement powers. P&Z wanted to reduce
the land mass to what they proposed. Arness stated there has
been a lot of time and work put into this, but nothing has come
out of it. The ordinance only works with the people. The board
can be established with the ordinance and needs an area with
which to work. The restricted area proposed by P&Z has already
been developed. There are only two areas open for development,
i.e. that of the proposed Heritage Park and the Fish & Wildlife
property. Arness pointed out that as the ordinance stipulates
now, the Katmai Visitor Center would not be able to be in the TSH
zone.
Arness stated the Task Force is saying, if you are going to-do
it, make the area different than any other in the community.
They do not want Kmarts there. It was not even their intent to
encourage tourists to come there. The area is just for the
people. The Task Force would like the land mass as they have
suggested and would like the Council's cooperation. Arness added
it has been frustrating as the Task Force made their
recommendation in January. since then, there has been
development in the zone which would not have been able to be done
if their ordinance, etc. had been in place. Arness requested
Council do the whole thing, or nothing at all.
Discussion followed regarding the square footage allowed for
commercial buildings at (e)(3)(i) of the ordinance. Arness
stated their intent was a business organization could occupy no
more than 2,500 square feet of a building. Their idea was to
limit shops or restaurants to smaller organizations. Arness
stated that applies to everything. The Task Force did not want a
large individual facility. They wanted to keep the businesses
small and to scale.
Williams stated it could then be interpreted that a museum could
not occupy more than 2,500 square feet. Smalley suggested a
• definition be included in the ordinance to circumvent future
problems. Williams reminded the audience and Council there were
four separate ordinances needing action.
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Will Jahriq - Was a resident of Old Town for many years and is a
landowner in the area. Jahrig stated he would like the history
preserved. Jahrig stated he has a hard time with the city
wanting to further their properties if the city is not going to
take ownership of the property or help with the development.
Jahrig stated he wants to better the area as it has been stagnant
for a long time. Jahrig stated he would like development of the
area to be faster.
Jahrig stated Council is now trying to put a clamp on the
property to `take care of past problems and future ones. Jahrig
stated he is not sure how this will help the property owners.
Jahrig stated he has not been asked about developing it. Jahrig
stated he does not have a problem with positive development.
Jahrig stated he has tried to sell some of his property, but the
real estate agent will not touch it due to the restrictions now
there. Jahrig added he has a hard time finding out what the
Council is trying to accomplish. Jahrig suggested action be held
for a time until the property owners are asked their ideas of
what to do.
It was determined the Task Force began their work in 1992. Prior
to that, the Planning & Zoning Commission reviewed the ordinance.
Williams added the ordinance before them now was introduced in
September. Swarner asked Jahrig if he received the letter sent
in August. Monfor stated there have been articles and editorials
in the Clarion as well. Kornelis confirmed all property owners
within the proposed zone and all property owners within 300 feet
of the zone were sent information regarding the public hearings,
etc. The addresses used were those from the Borough tax rolls.
MOTION TO AMBND:
Councilman Smalley XOVRD to amend Item (c) to include the comment
from the Judith Bittner memo (included in the packet), i.e. "The
Board shall develop a local historical preservation plan that
will be compatible with the Alaska State Historic Preservation
Plan and produce information that is compatible with the Alaska
Heritage Resource Survey." Councilwoman Monfor BECONDRD the
motion.
Smalley referred to Bittner's letter and suggested the item
subparagraphs be renumbered or this sentence be added as Item 9.
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Swarner stated she believed she had a conflict of interest
because her husband cc -owns property in Old Town. Attorney
Graves stated generally a councilmember may vote to rezone
property. Direct financial gain is limited from a rezone of
property. Graves added Swarner.would not be getting direct
financial gain. Graves stated in his opinion, there is no direct
conflict. Williams added he did not see a direct conflict of
interest. There was no further discussion on the amendment.
VOTE ON MOTION TO AMENDS
Smalley: Yes Williams: Yes Bookey: Yes
Swarner: Yes Monfor: Yes Measles: Yes
MOTION NABBED UNANIMOUBLY.
MOTION TO AMEND:
toCouncilman Smalley MOVED to amend the ordinance on Page 5, adding
an Item 13, "Individual Use - Refers town individual business in
its entirety." MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF BNCOND.
Graves stated it is his understanding Arness was referring to any
business organization or organizational unit. Williams referred
to Page 3, Item (e)(3)(i) regarding the size of the unit.
Williams asked if Council wants.to limit the size of the units to
2,500 square feet. Williams stated he was concerned for the
Heritage Park if it is decided to put a museum here. Measles
stated that item discusses commercial buildings. Measles asked
if a museum would be considered a commercial building. Graves
stated he did not think a government building.is commercial.
However, if there is a conflict here, it should be resolved now.
Williams suggested Item (e)(3)(i) be a separate entity and should
be a section addressing commercial buildings. After Council
defines how to treat a commercial building, then the item could
be separated.
Monfor stated she believed it would be discriminatory to allow
government entities in the area and not allow individuals.
Measles stated he believed they could be if the type.of activity
is limited.
• Arness stated one of the basic concepts of the historical
district is to be concerned with the scale, i.e. size relative to
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the other business and structures there and what was there
previously. Arness stated the intent of the Task Force was to
keep the entities to a size commensurate with that portion of the
community. Williams stated a theater would have to hold 100-150
people.
City Engineer Jack La Shot explained item (e)(3)(1) talks about
uses. The Land Use Table has included in it the uses of the
property. La Shot suggested cutting out the word "commercial" if
the sentence is a problem.
Williams stated Graves$ suggestion of including an exception,
i.e. "except that the commission may allow such a structure if in
compliance with the zone."
Discussion followed. The proposed amendment was discussed.
Measles stated they would not be changing the total size of the
r" building. Arness stated it was the Task Force'o intent to
eliminate large interests. Measles stated he did not believe the
58000 sq. ft. should be changed. Smalley stated the Planning &
Zoning Commission would have the authority for conditional uses,
etc. The Board would make recommendations.
MOTION TO AMOND=
Councilman Smalley MOVED to amend Item (e)(3)(1) and to remove
Item (i) and make it a separate Item 4 and re -number 4 to 5.
Measles suggested to end the sentence after 115,000 square feet
per story. Start a now sentence with "Any individual unit within
the structure of no more than 2,500 square feet except that the
commission may allow a larger individual unit if it determines it
is compatible with the zone." Smalley agreed. Councilman
Measles SRCONDRD the motion.
VOTE ON AMBNDXWs
Smalley: Yes
Swarner: Yes
MOTION PASSED.
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Williams: Yes
Monf or : No
Bookey: Yes
Measles: Yes
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VOTN ON USUDED MOTIONS
Smalley: Yes Williams: Yes Bookey: Yes
Swarner: Yes Monfor: Yes Measles: Yes
XOTXOV PASBSD tiI XXXOVOLY.
Damns 8s29 P.M.
BACK TO ORDER: S140 P.M.
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C-2. Ordinance No. 1568-93 - Amending KMC 14.25.020 to Add
Townsite Historic (TSH) District to the Definition of
"Commercial and Industrial Development'O as It Applies
to Applications for Landscaping/Site Plan Regulation.
XOTIONt
Councilwoman Monfor M0V8D for adoption of ordinance No. 1568-93
and Councilman Smalley 82CONDBD the motion.
There was no public comment. Swarner asked why the amount was
set at $10,000. Arness stated $10,000 is'the existing amount.
There were no other comments.
VOTE8
Smalley: Yes
Swarner: Yes
Williams: Yes
Monfor: Yes
MOTION BA88ND 9MIMOVeLY.
Bookey: Yes
Measles: Yes
C-3. Ordinance No. 1569-93 - Amending the Official City of
Kenai Zoning Map for Certain Lands Described as a
Portion of Section 5 & 60 T5N, R11W, Townsite Historic
Zone.
MOTIONI
Councilman Smalley MOM for adoption of Ordinance No. 1569-93
and Councilman Bookey SECONDED the motion.
Publics comments:
Duane Bannock - Representing Planning & Zoning Commission.
40 Bannock stated when the Planning & Zoning Commission decided this
issue, Ordinance No. 1567-93 had their blessing if that ordinance
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was attached to the boundary the Commission recommended. Bannock
stated he believed he could speak for the whole Commission
because they were unanimous with their vote. Bannock added if
the boundary size is different than their recommendation, the
Commission would not approve Ordinance No. 1567-93.
Sandra Vosar - Stated she preferred the P&Z Commission's
recommendation of boundary size. Vozar stated she would like
Toyon Villa and Bay Arms Apartments out of the zone but
understands she must go to P&Z in order to do it. Vozar stated
Council needs to be think what they are doing to the property
owners of the area when they attach the area.
Karen Mahurin - Stated when she first rgad the ordinance, she
believed the existing boundary was too large. Then she drove
through the area a number of times. Mahurin stated she feels a
lot of the property owners knew the area was historical when they
first purchased property there. Mahurin added she believes the
ordinance has lots of ways to handle development. Mahurin stated
it is important to have more than tall buildings, etc. Mahurin
recommended the boundary stay large. Mahurin added history is
important. The area needs compatible use. What is existing is
compatible. Requested Council to be cautious and selective.
Mahurin stated she prefers the existing boundary (Map "A"). Her
second choice is Map "C" (TSHTF Alternate No. 2).
Jeff Jefferson - Lives in Kenai and does not own property in Old
Town. Jefferson stated he does not favor the P&Z recommended
boundary as it has no relationship to the historical area.
Jefferson added the P&Z recommendation exempts five buildings
that are very historical.
Jefferson added the City of Kenai needs to make a harder
decision, i.e. do they want to create a small zone around the
church and make it impossible to develop around the church or
have a zone to include all the buildings and loosen the
regulations to have other development compatible.
Jefferson stated the TSHTF Alternate No. 2 is logical as it
recognizes the existence of the historical area. Jefferson
stated he believed the City needs to have a historical area and
it should include historical buildings or make the area very
small around the Church. Jefferson recommended Map "C," TSHTF
Alternates No. 2.
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will Jahrig - Jahrig stated he believed the smaller zone is
better for management, but may be negative for development.
Jahrig added he believes (the smaller zone) will restrict
movement in that direction. Jahrig added they need a positive
direction from the City. If the City purchases a block or
section to install a park, that would be a positive step. Jahrig
stated he does not like restrictions put on his properties.
Jahrig added if Council chooses a smaller area, they will take
out a lot of historical buildings. Jahrig stated there are
loopholes in the new boundary. If restrictions are needed, the
City should hash them out with the property owners.
Williams stated if Council chooses the P&Z recommendation, the
zone will be a small area. Most of its land is owned by the
federal government or the Church and some apartment buildings.
The P&Z boundary recommendation would be the smallest zone with
the least effect on the entire area. Williams added Council is
not wanting to restrict development, but use guidelines on how to
develop the property. Williams stated he personally would prefer
to include the entire Old Town area. Development can be done
compatible with the area.
Smalley stated he appreciated the Task Force and their long and
hard work. Smalley stated in 1986-87 the original TSH zone was
passed. Since then, lots of time and effort has been put into
the handling of the zone. P&Z has dealt with numerable concerns,
praises, etc. Smalley stated he has to go on record supporting
the P&Z map with the exemption of the Miller house, Cowants
office, etc. Those properties are on the perimeter and the
owners have asked to be exempted from the zone. The reason PH
exempted some and not others was to protect the reason behind the
TSH zone and that is the Church property.
Smalley added those properties exempted are not exempted from
preservation grants. Smalley stated the P&Z boundary reduces the
size and restricts more. Smalley stated he supports Map (D), the
P&Z recommended boundary.
Monfor stated the P&Z recommended boundary is fine if it is the
desire to only protect the Church. Monfor stated she supports,
Map "C" (TSHTF Alternate No. 2). This boundary is smaller than
Alternate No. 1, but takes in more. Monfor stated she does not
think the property owners understand they are all a part of Old
Town. This does not mead they cannot move forward. The City.is
not representing only the tourists. Kenai is unique. Ownership
of that area has not changed much.
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Monfor added she would not approve any taking of property by any
means but protection is needed for what is there and use Map "C,"
(TSHTF Alternate No..2).
Bookey stated he has lived in Kenai for 33 years. Bookey stated
he does not think the TSH zone hurt the city. Bookey stated he
went through the steps when putting in his RV park. Bookey
stated the zone has been good for the city and good for his
business. Bookey stated he respects the Task Force's work and
recommends Map "B" (TSHTF Alternate No. 1).
Swarner stated she supported Map "C" (Alternate No. 2).
NOTION TO AMM I
Councilwoman Monfor MOVED to amend to have this ordinance include
the Townsite Historic Task Force rezone recommendation of
Alternate No. 2, Map "C." Councilwoman Swarner SECONDED the
motion.
VOTE ON I
Smalley: No
Swarner: Yes
MOTION PASSED.
VOTE ON AMENDED MOTION$
Smalley: No
Swarner: Yes
NOTION PASB$D.
Williams: Yes
Monfor: Yes
Williams: Yes
Monfor: Yes
Bookey: No
Measles: Yes
Bookey: Yes
Measles: Yes
C-4. Ordinance No. 1570-93 - Amending the Land Use Table to
Include Townsite Historic Zone.
LOTION$
Councilman Smalley MOVED for adoption of ordinance No. 1570-93
and Councilwoman Monfor BE-NDED the motion.
Public comment:
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Jim Araess - Pointed out the recommendation onP&Z recommendation was
for single family homes, no duple
allows duplexes.
eaudra Vo$ar - Stated she has been in nAlV zarka for 24 years. stated people whQar
stated she owns Tract 3A on the blu
were in old Town in the past Zarvdiscussed her opinionbeen
ofnthe
development in old Town. Vo
negatives of the Land Use Table. ifVg meoneawantshtolbuildsa8nice
very restrictive. Vozar state In order for
building, let them have the
erarea is needed.
profitable development,
williams asked Bannock and Smalley in their tenure (approximately
15 years) on the Planning & Zoning Commissi�n,gmalleymany
statedSMr.
conditional use permit has been turned down
Tomerle's business was turned down due ta metaiegramedibuiiaing�
the ordinance. Tomerle could not build
Bannock stated some were discussed, but never produced. other
conditional use permits were discussed.
Monfor stated there is
amend the ordinance at
ordinance or adding to
MOTION TO AMEND:
nothing that will not allow Council Lo
any time, either deleting from the
it. Smalley agreed.
Councilman Smalley MOVED to make a theater
conDED the motion*
use in
the Land Use Table. Councilman Measles
VOTE ON JkXZNDMBNTI
Smalley: Yes Williams: Yes
Swarner: Yes Monfor: Yes
NOTION GABBED UNANIMOUSLY.
VOTE ON AMENDED MOTION:
Smalley: Yes williams: Yes
Swarner: Yes Monfor: Yes
MOTION VABBED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Bookey: Yes
Measles: Yes
Bookey: Yes
Measles: Yes
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C-S, Resolution No. 93-77 - Accepting a Grant From the State
of Alaska, Department of Environmental Conservation for
Thompson Park Water and Sewer Mains.
MOTIONS
Councilwoman Monfor MOVED for approval of Resolution No. 93-77
and requested VMIMOUS CONBENTe Councilwoman Swarner BECONDED
the motion.
There were no public or council comments.
VOTES
There were no objections to the motion. 00 ORDERED.
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D-1. Council on Aging
Swarner reported the minutes of the last meeting were included in
the packet. Swarner reported the Council on Aging is requesting
Councll's approval of an increase in ride donations to $1.00 each
way and meals to $2.50, effective November 1. 1993.
MOTIONS
Councilwoman Swarner MOVED to accept the Council on Aging
recommendation to increase ride donations to $1.00.each way and
meal suggested contribution to $2.50 (up $.50)0, effective
November 1, 1993. Councilman Smalley BECONDED the motion. There
were no objections. BO ORDERED.
D-29 Airport Commission
Councilman Measles reported there was no meeting since the last
council meeting. The next meeting will be held.October 140, 1993.
Hill Toppa - Chairman of the Airport Commission. Toppa-stated
his concern that the Commission is being a buffer between the
vublic and the Council. Toppa added the Commission has
olunteered a lot of time on issues before them. Some have been
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simple, some were not. At the last meeting, the Commission
passed a motion to recommend five parking spaces be made
available for car rental agencies at the south end of the
terminal. Toppa stated they believed they used the property
process to bring the item to Council. Although they thought it
should have been handled by Administration. Toppa stated he
understands the item was removed from tonight's agenda.
Toppa stated he understands some of the car rental agency owners
were told tonight this would be an experiment and for the winter.
Toppa stated this was not the intent of the Airport Commission.
Toppa added it is time some of their recommendations are taken
more seriously by Council.
Williams stated the item was discussed as to whether it should or
should not be brought to Council. One of the members of the car
rental agencies indicated he could not speak for all the agency
owners. Council believes it is an administrative matter and does
not need to be discussed by Council.
Toppa stated the matter was discussed by the Commission two
meetings ago and should have been handled then. Williams stated
the matter will be handled administratively through the airport
manager and city manager. Toppa stated he wants proper and due
consideration for the Commission.
D-3. Harbor commission
Bookey reported there was no meeting since the last council
meeting. The next meeting is scheduled for October 11, 1993.
Bookey reported a letter of resignation has been received
(included in the packet) from Bill Altland. Williams requested
the Clerk to compile all applications on file for review.
Williams suggested appointments be made at the next council
meeting after certification of election. There were no •
objections.
D-4. Library commission
Monfor reported a meeting was scheduled for last night, however
there was no quorum. Monfor referred to the survey included in
the last council packet and hoped Council reviewed it.
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Monfor requested an area be added to the commission/committee
application for the applicant to give an overview of why they
want to serve on the commission/committee. There were no
objections.
D-S.
Parks i Recreation Commission
Parks & Recreation Director McGillivray stated the minutes of the
last meeting were included in the packet. The next meeting will
be held next week. The Commission is in need of a student
representative. Smalley stated he has given the application to
LeeAnn Bingham who teaches government at KCHS. Smalley will
remind her.
D-6. Planning a Zoning Commission
Smalley reported minutes from the September 8 and 22 meetings
were included in the packet. Two conditional use permits were.
approved. The permit for Zubeck had some limitations included,
i.e. no trespass to other private property or materials left.
there; no noise impediment of school operation; and no traffic on
the paved road. An encroachment in Mommsen Subdivision was also
approved.
Smalley added development in TSH zone was approved for an
addition to the Roger Consiel home. An extension of construction
schedule for Pitts/Eichholtz was approved.
Swarner asked how many more encroachments are there in Kenai.
Smalley stated many. Smalley stated they will come up through
title searches. Swarner stated something needs to be done.
D-7. Miscellaneous Commissions and Committees
All -America City - Councilwoman Monfor thanked Council for the
opportunity to travel to Washington, DC to attend the White House
Rose Garden Ceremony for the presentation of the 1992 All -America
City award by President Clinton. Monfor added it was a real
honor. Williams agreed and read from the ceremony transcript
which was included in the packet.
0eautifioation Committee - Swarner stated the minutes of the last
meeting were included in the packet. Swarner asked McGillivray
if the Code had been reviewed in regard to keeping persons from
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leavin their dogs excrements in the Leif Hansen Memorial Park.
McGillivray stated he discussed the matter with his staff and Bob
Frates and they did not feel there is a problem.
Regular MOating of 86Pt6mbar 19, 1993.
Approved by Consent Agenda.
None.
Disoussioa - AML Dues structure
Clerk Freas referred to her memorandum included in the packet.
Assemblymember Torgerson forwarded a letter and copy of the Kenai
Peninsula Borough Resolution No. 93-111 which was included in the
packet. The resolution offers another pay schedule for the AML
dues structure and urges the exemption of the Borough to the
mandatory municipal self -pay dues program by the AML. KPB
Resolution No. 93-111 will only become effective after Borough
municipalities have passed resolutions supporting fiorgerson�s
proposed pay schedule. Freas asked Council if they wish to
support Torgerson's alternate pay schedule and if so, should
Administration be directed to prepare a supporting resolution for
action at the October 20, 1993 council meeting.
Measlesarsked if the weighted vote issue had been settled.
Williams stated he did not know. Measles stated if Council
agrees to the resolution regarding the pay schedule,. they were
not supporting the weighted vote. Council could still move back
from the weighted vote issue.
Williams stated the An Board voted to disallow boroughs to pay
dues for the cities. Williams added the resolution would try to
exempt the Kenai Peninsula Borough from the AML decision.
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Councilman
Councilman
objections.
COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
1993
Measles MOVED to
Smalley 8ECOHDED
80 ORDERED*
support the Borough's resolution and
the motion. There were no
A resolution should be included on the next agenda for action.
H-1. Bills to be Paid, sills to be Ratified
MOTION a
Councilman Smalley MOVED to pay the bills and Councilman Measles
BECOND13D the motion. Councilman Measles requested MUMIMOUS
CONOM T. There were no objections. 80 ORDERED.
H-z., Purchase Orders oxceeding $10,000
MOTIONS
Councilman Measles MOVED for approval of the purchase orders
exceeding $1,000 and requested OWXMO08 CONSENT. Councilman
Smalley 8ECONDED the motion. There were no objections. SO
ORDERED.
2-3. Ordinance No. 1372-93 - Increasing Estimated Revenues
and appropriations by $1,950,000 in the Thompson Park
Water and Sewer Lines Capital Project Fund.
Approved by consent agenda.
H-4. Discussion - Airport Gift Shop - Request for Rent
Reduction.
Swarner asked if the rent reduction request has been before the
Airport Commission. Ernst stated no.because the request arrived
after the last Commission meeting. Swarner requested the rent
reduction request be forwarded to the Commission for
recommendation first.
Toppa stated rent reduction requests had been discussed several
years ago. Monfor stated the gift shop was not open a lot during
the summer. Monfor asked if the Commission could review that
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matter. Williams stated he has talked with t
discussed whether the leasing structure couldhe operators and
one operator instead of three. be rearranged to be
is not a viable business for the terminal. decided the gift shop
there would be a limitation as to what can b dopey asked if
vendor agreements,
a done due to the
Swarner requested the item be taken to the Air
There were no objections, port Commission.
Bookey suggested the Airport Commission review
all leases.
Bookey feels they are circumventing the leases
reduction is requested and approved. each time a rent
8"5• Discussion - Airport Commission - Rec
Designate Five Parking Spaces at South Enddofi Tea to
for Car Rental Use. rminal
Removed from agenda.
Discussion - •
Subdivision-EichholtZ/puts - Lot 4, Block 1
Schedule. Request for Extensions of Construct,FBOion
Dan Pitts - Updated Council of their
ready to break ground. They have them onee8fro Stated they are
have purchased the equipment and hired a contractor.m the bank. They
DEC approval and the tanks are ready. The contractor
They have
start Monday. Pitts re expeCts to
construction schedule. gTheteXtensio�yWer extension of the
ill be to October, 1994.
MO'1'IOl�is
Councilman Smalley MOVED for approval
construction and Councilman Meles$Of the extension for
noun i
Co lwoman Swarner requested ONANtMOIIS CopB�.motion,
Williams referred to the below -ground tanks
Williams asked if they have investigated the
twat will b
Pitts stated they will be placing them 101 t water table
have had no problems in the last 12 ears ° 12 dawn•
contractor will be strapping the tanks down astts added
VOT21 well.
There were no objections to the motion.
80 ORDLRBD.
e placing.
e depth.
They
the
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R-7. Discussion - Airport Lounge - Request quest for Noon Sign.
Removed from agenda.
a -so Approval - Surplus Motor Starters/Sewer Treatment
Plant.
MOTIONS
Councilman Smalley MOVSD for approval to declare surplus and
authorize sale of old motor starters without auction and allow
Public Works to sell them to a buyer through Debenham Electric
for whatever price can be had. Councilwoman Monfor s1SC011DED the
motion. There were no objections. SO ORDlRED.
a-9• Discussion - Recreation Center Gym User Fees.
McGillivray referred to a memorandum distributed to Council at
the beginning of the meeting and added to the agenda.
McGillivray stated they have completed one month of charging a
user fee. McGillivray stated only adults are charged the fee.
The staff has not urged students. They have sold nine punch
cards. McGillivray estimated they will collect $7.00o to $8,000
a year.
Smalley stated Council was under the impression (when the item
was discussed at the 9/21/93 meeting) students would be charged a
fee as well. Smalley stated he does not have a problem chargin
adults, i.e. age IS or over. g
McGillivray stated he discussed fee charges with other recreation
departments throughout the state. Fees are charged from $1.00 to
$2.50 for other gyms. Monfor asked if the fee was advertised
first before collecting it. McGillivray stated it was posted at
the Center for approximately two weeks. The sign stated the fees
would continue from the summer charges.
Monfor recommended when a fee is to be instituted or an increase
in a fee is to begin (like the boat ramp), an announcement be put
in the paper and on the radio.
the public when they have no noticefor added it really irritates
Williams stated it caught him off -guard that a fee
Without Councils knowledge or a .was instituted
matter was discussed at the AugustrParks & Recreation stated the
Which time the Commission thought they had a n meeting at
pproved.the fee a d
as
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the matter was forwarded to Council. It was discovered no formal
motion was made, so it was brought back to the Commission and
discussed again, motioned, and approved.
Williams questioned the renting of the gym for aerobics classes,
etc. and the person renting then collects fees from the students
attending the class. McGillivray stated the gym fee (for use of
the whole gym) is $15.00 per hour. If someone uses one-half the
space, the charge is $7.50. McGillivray stated it has always
been their policy to rent the gym for aerobics and the teacher
charges a fee, etc. If there are over 20 persons in a class, the
Recreation Center charges $.50 more a person over the $15.00 gym
charge from the instructor.
Williams stated he is concerned it may be a conflict with private
enterprise. McGillivray stated this matter was discussed with
Council last year. Smalley stated it was brought up by people
from an entity outside of the city limits. Bookey stated he
agreed with Williams. Smalley stated the survey information
stated the Recreation Center had the highest use. Smalley added
he did not believe the City is in competition with other city
businesses.
Smalley asked where the line would be drawn, i.e. if another
racquetball court opened in Kenai, or weight training, dancing,
would the facility's scope be changed? Measles stated his
concern is like any other lease for a city building; what is the
City's liability for the class and the students in the class.
Measles suggested the person teaching the class (renting the gym)
should be required to have insurance coverage.
McGillivray stated all instructors have waivers for their
students to sign. McGillivray added Attorney Graves reviewed the
waiver. Graves stated insurance coverage is better than a
waiver. Graves added he remembers looking at the waivers about a
year ago. Graves stated he will review the insurance question if
Council desires.
Measles stated he would like the matter reviewed. Smalley asked
who covers the insurance for City league basketball, whether they
are using a school gym or city gym. McGillivray stated he
believes the City does. Graves added there has never been a
claim to the City from league basketball.
Williams asked Council if they wished to continue the gym use
fee. Consensus was yes.
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Smalley stated if there are adjustments to the charge, the matter
should be brought back to Council for review and action.
=-i. Mayor
i. Tree Transplanting - Williams stated he has learned
Barron Butler has purchased the Texaco station in Kenai. Butler
stated he plans to cut down the evergreen trees situated in front
of the station. Williams suggested Council, through its
beautification efforts, have the trees transplanted. Monfor
asked if Butler has returned the City's sign. Monfor added
Butler should get nothing until the sign is returned.
Swarner stated transplanting grown trees is pretty involved.
McGillivray stated his department's experience in transplanting
trees has not been very successful.
No action was taken.
2. Restroom Plans - Williams requested $2,500 to $3,000
for the drawing of restroom plans. The restroom had been
discussed previously with Council. The restroom would be placed
by the Plant Test Site by the ballfields. Williams stated the
plans must be signed by a licensed architect because it is the
City who wants to build the facility.
Monfor stated she thought the work would be done in-house.
Williams stated the plans must be stamped by an architect.
Swarner stated she had a problem with that much money. Williams
stated he had hoped to have the facility built. Williams added
he has discussed the matter with Finance Director Brown and Brown
believes the funding can come from the Daubenspeck account.
Monfor asked if this design could be used for other facilities.
Williams stated the standard outhouse design would need changing.
Monfor stated she was thinking about the use of the design for a
new facility at Cunningham Park. Measles stated he would like to
have the facility built but not to have it designed by an outside
entity. Measles added lots of ports -potties can be rented for
$3, 000.
Monfor suggested Williams first finds out if volunteers will
commit to building the facility. Williams stated he planned to
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ask the Lions Club, Rotary, etc. to volunteer to build it.
Williams added it will cost $20,000 to $25,000 to build the
facility ono electricity, no hot water).
Swarner suggested Administration find pre -drawn plans from the
State. Council consensus was 11no" to spending $3,000 for
restroom facility plans.
3. I8THA Program - Williams advised Council the ISTEA
program has been changed around. However, the Mission Street
funding is in the program. Kornelis added the DOT priority list
is included in the packet as Information Item No. 2.
4. courthouse Project - Williams suggested having an open
house and ribbon -cutting ceremony for the new courthouse during
AML week. Kornelis stated the Court System will be closing
November 12 and moving through that weekend and reopening in the
f new building on Monday, November 15.
5. Vublic Health Nurse Facility - Williams stated he spoke
with the Jean Berger, Public Health Nurse and learned they.have
put in a $1 million request for a new facility. Williams stated
he told Berger Council will be pleased to do a resolution in
support. Williams added he has discussed with Council before the
donation of land for a health facility between the senior Center
and the Leif Hansen Memorial Park. The building would be
approximately 51000 square feet. Williams suggested Council
consider this matter.
6. Ice Rink - Williams stated the Ice Rink Task Force will
meet on Tuesday, October 12, 1993 at 7:00 p.m. The Task Force
has hired a consultant for fund raising events and KPHA has
joined in the effort. KPHA will be funding the cost of a
brochure. Williams added the Task Force has discussed a number
of different ways to raise money, i.e. Permanent Fund Dividend
check, City's money, etc.
Smalley stated he has discussed the brochure with Nate Kiel.
They are in need for an additional $150 for funding the brochure.
Smalley asked if the Mayor or the City could donate the $150.
Williams advised Council there will be a major town hall meeting
at KCHS, tentatively scheduled for November 9 to discuss the ice
rink. Swarner stated she is not in favor of spending City money
now. Swarner added she would like to see the people truly
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interested to come up with the front money* swarner stated the
City can give support with paper products, etc, but no money now.
No donation was approved.
I-29 City Manager
1. Fire Truck Grant - Manninen reported a letter
confirming the fire truck grant approval was received. The grant
is for $214,000. Manninen added nothing has been heard about the
water improvement grant as yet.
2. dater i Bower increase Letter - Manninen reported the
water and sewer increase letter was revised and sent out.
Manninen offered a copy to anyone interested.
3. Well Drilling - Manninen reported the allotted amount
of money was spent for the well drilling. A test well was
drilled to 300 feet. Manninen passed water samples from the
present well and the test well. Manninen requested.$10,000 to
either go deeper or pump water from the test well to see if it
gets clearer. Manninen stated the test well is a large source Of
water, but is not very clear.
Measles suggested to go another 500 feet or so because he did not
think any wells have been drilled that deep here and no one knows
if there may be better water at that depth. Bookey was concerned
if the well is drilled to 500 feet, salt water may be found.
Kornelis stated he does not think that would happen. Kornelis
requested $4,500 more for drilling. Kornelis added he did not
know if they would have to go that far and maybe will not use all
that amount of money. However, if better water is found, they
will have it tested.
LOTION:
Councilman Measles MOVED to allow the not -to -exceed amount of
$5,000 be issues in a purchase order to Kraxberger Drilling for
continuing with the drilling of the exploratory water well.
Councilman Smalley BECONDED the motion and requested VIWXHOV9
CONSENT. There were no objections. 80 ORDERED.
I-3. Attorney
No report.
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1-4. City Clerk
1. Telephone Boll - Clerk Freas read into the record the
findings of a telephone poll taken on September 23 and 24, 1993
to issue a purchase order to Batir Creative to move a fire
hydrant located on Second Avenue to the backslope of the ditch
approximately 101 further from the centerline than it was. The
hydrant needed to be moved before the paving on Second Avenue to
save having to cut the pavement at a later date and also it will
cost much less to do it now. The amount of the purchase order is
$2,000.00. The telephone poll was approved (four yes, one no,
one out of town) .
2. Historic Preservation Fund Program - Freas referred to
her memorandum included in the packet and information regarding
the Historic Preservation Fund Program. A short discussion
followed. Williams asked Council if they wished to start the
application process for the grants. Administration was directed
to begin the grant process. Williams stated the grant will be
for the initial planning and cost analysis of the Historic
Village.
3. Council Packets - Freas reported Kathyrn DeLacee of the
Kenai Airport Business Alliance contacted her office and spoke
with Sheryl. DeLacee stated she tentatively wanted to be placed
on a list to receive a council packet. Freas requested input
from Council as to what charge should be fixed for the cost of
packets. Freas stated during the discussion DeLacee stated she
was not sure they wanted to receive the whole packet, maybe only
a portion of it. Freas stated to Council she would not put
together only a portion of a packet. DeLacee (from the audience)
stated she had not received a copy of the agenda from the Airport
Manager. Freas stated the agendas are always available for.the
public on Friday afternoons through the time of the meeting.
Copies of ordinances, resolutions and back-up materials are
available upon request. DeLacee asked if something came up at an
Airport Commission meeting or is listed as a discussion item on
the agenda that KABA would like to offer written comment to, is.
there a time when they could get that information to Council
prior to the meeting.
Freas stated the cut-off time for information to be included in
the packet is noon on packet day (the Friday prior to the
meeting). Additional information can be brought to Freas,
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preferably on Monday before the meeting, in order that it be
distributed to administration for review, and added to.the
agenda.
No action was taken.
2-5. Finance Director
No report.
t-e. Public Works Director
Kornelis gave an update of city projects.
Z-7. Airport Managor
No report.
ITEM Js DI8cuBez �1
47-1. citizens
None.
J-2. council
Dooley - Bookey stated he has been requested to be a
subcontractor on a bid for the courthouse soils remediation
project. Bookey stated.he will abstain on votes on anything to
do with the bid on that contract.
Kornelis stated the Grace Drilling property has been put on the
project, but is broken out from the other bid. Kornelis added
Grace Drilling is responsible for all of the piles of soil.
Kornelis stated he has written Grace Drilling telling them to
remove their junk and the four barrels of unknown liquid on the
property. Grace Drilling has not responded.
evarner - RV Park Building Permits - Requested to see an
ordinance or some manner of directive requiring building permits
for RV parks. Kornelis stated no buildinq permit was -required
because there was no building. However, it was required to have
DEC approval and they needed to hook into the sewer .line.
Earthwork and pipes were inspected. No action was taken.
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Street Parking - Swarner stated it was brought to her
attention during her campaign parking is allowed only on one side
of the street by Rainbow Bar. Chief Morris stated he will look
into it. Swarner requested parking be kept to one side on Lawton
and South Forest also. Kornelis stated they will be placing no
parking signs on one side of the street on Lawton.
ZEN Paving Project - Swarner reported a small hole in the
paving on McKinley.
Monfor - AML Booth - Reported she received information for
the AML booth and requested help from Pat Porter, Kornelis and
Freas. Council approved the $250.00 cost for the booth.
i0/20/93 Council Meeting - Monfor reported she will not be
attending the next council meeting.
Measles - Will be out of town during the week of the next
council meeting.
Smalley - Welcomed Councilwoman Swarner back and stated best
wishes to Duane Bannock. Smalley reported the culvert At the
golf course on the back nine is eroding. Smalley suggested it
could be asphalt problems.
Williams - USIA Grant - Referred to the copy of the USIA
grant forwarded to Council.
Student Government Day - William suggested Government Day be
held sometime other than December i because he and Manninen will
be out of town. Smalley suggested the November 17 meeting.
Williams will get in touch with the teacher to confirm.
Unfunded Mandate Resolution - Williams asked Council if they
wished to bring a resolution forward to the next meeting
supporting Unfunded Mandate Day. Council consensus was yes.
Tim Navarre - Williams congratulated Tim Navarre for his
election to the School Board. Navarre was present in the
audience.
Kenai Packers - Williams referred to the letter distributed
at the beginning of the meeting and added to the agenda as
Information Item No. 18. The letter stated Kenai Packers will be
closing.
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The meeting adjourned at approximately 11:34 p.m.
Minutes transcribed and submitted by:
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