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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-02-12 Airport Commission SummaryKENAI AIRPORT COMMITTEE Thursday, Oanua~y 12, 1984 Kenai City Hall Raymond Measles, Chairman AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Dick Odgers of G~izzly Aide,aft has accepted membership on the Committee 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA PERSONS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD APPROVAL OF MINUTES of 3anua~'y 5, 1984 5. OLD BUSINESS a · b · Meeting with FAA Representative Review of Meeting with City Engineers 6. NEW BUSINESS a® P~epa~ation of Documents fo~ Council (Depending Upon Results of 5a & 5b) 7. COMMITTEE QUESTIONS & COMMENTS 8. ADOOURNMENT Please B~ing This Packet With You To The Meeting KENAI AIRPORT COMMITTEE, REGULAR MEETING, OANUARY 12, 1984 - 7:00 PM KENAI CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING COUNCILMAN RAY MEASLES PRESIDING MINUTES I ROLL CALL P~esent: Ray Measles, Phil Ames, Bob Bielefeld, Oe~y SibIey, Dick Odge~s Absent: Aian 3ones, Bud Lofstedt Bob Oleson, 2 APPROVAL OF AGENDA Agenda was approved as submitted. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD None APPROVAL OF MINUTES, 3an. 5, 1984 Minutes were approved as submitted. 5 OLD BUSINESS 5-8 Meeting with FAA Representative Committee Member Sibley spoke. He had met wi.th Enginee~ LaShot, Public Works Di~ecto~ Kornelis, Committee Membe~ 3ones and others regarding a p~oblem with elevation. He d~ew up a 2nd p~oposal. With 5 ft. of di~t dug, that is 250,000 yds. pe~ ft. of depth. It is a million dollars cheape~ to the south. Public Works Di~ecto~ Kornelis had mentioned the~e would be a p~oblem with DEC, in swamplands we need a permit. The 2nd proposal to the engineer was },250 ft. of ~unway, 100 ft. of existing basin. The lots, taxiway and roadway a~e the same. The ski a~ea is longe~, 2,750 ft. long. It is just g~ading only. The cost is cheaper at 200 ft. wide. At 200 ft. wide, the total is }70,000 cu. yds., at 150 ft. it is }0},000 cu. yds. The total cost would be $}00,000 to $400,000. The 2nd plan is mo~e economical and feasible f~o~ wetlands, but it is close~ to }rd, 4th & Birch. M~. Sibiey suggested a decision be postponed tiiI the Feb. 1 'Councii meeting. 3im Perhan, Airports Div., Anchorage office, FAA. He wanted to explain the FAA position, FAA concerns and how best to work to implement this. Airports Div. of FAA is in favo~ of the float plane basin and have been for many yea~s. They perceive it as a significant deficiency of the airport. The Maste~ R lan was accomplished and did depict the float plane basin was needed. FAA finds this an acceptable p~oposal. FAA feels if the facility was constructed, within 2 years the City could be looking at a significant number of planes KENAI AIRPORT COMMITTEE Regula~ Meeting, 3anua~y 12, P age 2 1984 the~e, in the neighborhood of 100 aircraft. This is not a confirmed figure, just an estimate. They recognize all parts of FAA are not in agreement. There would also be a significant number of transient aircraft because it would be a new place to come. The p~imary concern of FAA is, because of environmental restraints and the amount of readily available land, the best way to implement this would be to maintain the area strictly for float or ski planes. That is, separate from wheeled aircraft. They admit there is a need to take aircraft off floats to wheels to take them to the airport, there could be a small access area. There is a deficiency in terms of single engine, general aviation a~ea to tie down. If nothing is changed in that regard and we arbitrarily make this a float plane basin, the major general aviation area will have over 200 aircraft there. FAA concern is, is that the right place to plan fo~ all wheel based single engine aircraft? Till the growth factor is quelled or framed (sic) he did not know if the community will want that many planes there. Float and wheel plane operators with conversions are something else. FAA perceives a p~oblem fo~ wheel- based aircraft. He did not know if the airport wants them. FAA stance is, they don't know if that is the place to put them. There was a general discussion on parking of aircraft. Mr. Rerhan explained, FAA is involved with the airport, and their concurrence is requi~ed. Committee Member Ames noted, FAA is questioning if it will snowball on us. He can understand why they would be concerned regarding air traffic near the airport, but not where they park. They have an area they have used as a float plane parking a~ea. He had not heard of wheel planes on one side. But we are talking about float planes and ski planes. If it came to the place where there was no place left, but he did not see that for at least 5 years. Mr. Rerhan said because of the land t~ansfer here, the airport and lands were transferred from FAA to the City for an airport. The law says FAA must approve re-sale of the land. Subsequent to doing that, ties to the community by utilization of federal funds say all development must be approved by FAA. The~e is a procedure that must be followed whethe~ this is done with City funds or federal funds. M~. Ames said we need a ditch done with planting. He could do that this Spring. There would be a place to tie float planes, never mind the wheel planes. Mr. Sibley asked if FAA was here to approve the size or concept. If it ran into wetlands and was held up, would FAA help us? The committee is t~ying to eliminate problems but they have 8 to 10 factors they are trying to please. Mr. Re~han said he felt the~e was a misunderstanding that the committee thought they would get approval from FAA this date. His intent was to provide input to their decision-making process prior to FAA AIRPORT COMMITTEE 3AN. 12, 1984 P age 3 receiving ~he p~oposal. Ali agree on ~he need, ~here is a probiem in ~he physics of pu~ing i~ ~oge~her and in communication and semantics. When each person says fIoa~ pIane basin, i~ is different. There is a probIem ~ha~ mus~ be addressed, ~he area nex~ ~o ~he fIoa~ piane basin mus~ have a 5 year deIay. Is i~ reaiis~ic ~o assume i~ wiii be avaiIabIe ~o dig ~o ex~end ~he wa~e~way or ~o fiiI? CounciIman Measies asked, if ~ha~ Iand is no~ avaiIabIe, wouid ~ha~ p~eciude ~he a~ea from becoming a generaI aviation area? The Iand ~hey have avaiiabie wouId be Iimi~ed outside of ~he fIoa~ pianes, so ~his wouid no~ be a fuIi scaie opera~ion? Mr. Rerhan ~epIied he did no~ perceive i~ ~ha~ way a~ ~his ~ime. Mr. Sibiey said ~hey are ~ying ~o make a workabIe pIan. If peopie see ~he need over ~here, i~ wiIi evoive ~here no ma~er wha~ ~he ruIes are. We are crea~ing a probIem when we design where ~hey wiiI go. He can envision ~ha~ if i~ is a dir~ s~rip, ~undra ~ires do no~ Iike ~o iand ~here. Mos~ smaiI pianes do no~ iike ~o caIi ~he ~ower ~o move a smaII distance. No ma~er wha~ ruies are made, ~hey wiIi be broken. On ~he o~he~ side FAA wiiI no~ con,roi ~hem, ~ha~ is no~ in ~he ~ower's area. We have $1/2 miiIion ~ha~ ~he City is wiiiing ~o invest, ~e have spend many hours devising a pian. How iong shouid ~he runway be? Mr. Rerhan asked, wha~ pIanes wiii use i~? M~. Sibiey repIied, any fIoa~ piane. I~ ~akes 2,400 f~. ~o ciear a 50 f~. obs~acIe. There is no obs~acIe ~he way ~his is pIanned. The committee jus~ wan~ed a generaI idea of how iong, how deep, access, e~c. Is ~his ~o be generai aviation or no~? They came up wi~h a pIan for a dir~ graveI s~rip. He can understand why FAA is concerned abou~ iiabiii~y, bu~ how do you ge~ fIoa~ pianes, wheeI pianes and ski pIanes in ~he same piace? Mr. Rerhan no~ed ~he committee is iooking fo~ ~echnical inpu~ f~om FAA ~o a poin~ where i~ would be acceptable ~o ~hem. This would be a work session, not a formal meeting. MOTION: Committee Membe~ Sibley moved, seconded by Committee Membe~ Odge~s, adjourn to a work session. Motion passed by unanimous consent. COMMITTEE WENT INTO WORK SESSION FOR I HOUR, 45 MINUTES. A~RPORT 3AN. 12, P age 4 COMMITTEE 1984 MOTION: Committee Membe~ Sibley moved, seconded by Committee Membe~ Odge~s, to designate the west side float plane ski strip a~ea a soft field aide,aft a~ea. Motion passed unanimousiy by ~oll call vote. MOTION: Committee Member Sibley moved, seconded by Committee Member Bielefeld, to submit this final proposal as amended for 200 ft. wide or 100 ft. wide runway, and },250 ft. long or },750 ft. long runway. Motion passed unanimously by roll call vote. 6. NEW BUSINESS 6-8 · P~eparation of Documents of 5a & 5b) for Council (Depending Upon Results Councilman Measles said the committee will meet with engineering firms and will submit to Council Feb. 1. They will have more meetings. Public Works Directo~ Kornelis said this will be a rough d~aft of what they will do. They will have a cost figure. On Oan. 26 the~e will be proposals from Wince, Co,the11 & B~yson and Mike Tauriainen, the committee can ~eview them at that time. Mr. Kornelis said he would t~y to get the p~oposals to the committee members on Oan. 24 so they can look at them before the meeting. He added, he would send a letter to Wince, Co~thell & Bryson and Mike Tau~iainen Jan. 1~ o~ Jan. 16 ~egarding the amendments to the proposals. COMMITTEE QUESTIONS & COMMENTS 7-8 Committee Member Sibley. Regarding the p~esentation to Council. A~e we talking about presenting the plan, or should we go into justifying the need on the othe~ side? Councilman Measles replied, at this point, we should present just the general concept. Public Works Direeto~ Ko~nelis added, when the engineers come back with costs, that is the time to discuss need. Mr. Sibley noted we should have ~eplies f~om FAA, environmental concerns, etc. by that time. He asked if the engineers p~ovide input from FAA, EPA, the Corps. of Engineers, etc. M~. Kornelis replied yes. M~. B~yson added, it would just be an estimate now. The study would p~ovide that. Mr. Kornelis said when the enginee~ is provided the contract, he will go to the Corps. M~. AIRPORT 3AN, 12~ P age 5 COMMITTEE 1984 Tauriainen noted the Corps. will not make a commitment till next Spring when they can look at it. Mr. Kornelis said if it is wetlands they will have to apply for a permit as soon as possible. Mr. Bryson we will need an environmental assessment anyhow. Councilman Measles explai'ned, the proposa! will have 2 things: - estimate on cost - engineer's proposal fo~ design work M~. Kornelis added, on the 24th, receive in the p~oposals: the committee members will - how they will - costs involved - schedule approach After the award, will have: there will be a study. After that they - engineering design - engineering inspection - construction - contingency - land acquisition - cost of runway - cost of limited access road After that, to Council. the committee will meet to decide how to present Mr. Tauriainen noted in Mr. Kornelis' letter, he referred to "all" ramifications, he asked that it be changed to "some." Mr. Kornelis agreed to the change. 7-b Committee Member Sibley. In reviewing the proposal. He asked that it include taking dirt to be utilized as limited access. It would be used as overburden on the other side. Mr. Kornelis agreed that would be addressed during the study. AIRPORT 3AN. 12, P age 6 COMMITTEE 1984 AD3OURNMENT: Meeting adjourned at 10:00 PM. NEXT MEETING: 2an. 26, 198z~ at 7:00 PM. 3anet Whelan City Clerk