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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980-03-13 Harbor Commission SummaryKENAI HARBOR COMMISSION P.O. BOX 580 Kenai, A1 aska 99611 AGENDA - SPECIAL MEETING MARCH 13, 1980 SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING: March .13, 1980 - 7:00 p.m. the Public Safety Building, at Kenai HARBOR COMMISSION MEMBERS: Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Robert Peterkin, Chairman John Wi 11 i ams, Vi ce-Chai man Tom Ackerly Wi 11 i am Burnett Tom Wagoner EX-OFF I C I 0 MEMBERS: Mrs. Mr. Betty Glick, Councilwoman Vince O'Reilly, Mayor A-G- E-N-D-A 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call 3. Introduction of Guests (a) Captain Wayne Reynolds and Phil Brna 4. Communi cations (a) Letter from Marvin L. Dragseth, President, Royal Pacific Fisheries (b) Letterlto Captain Wayne Reynolds from Mayor O'Reilly (c) Memo from Mayor O'Reilly to Chairman Peterkin on Sen. Tillion 5. Persons present not scheduled to be heard. 6. Adjourn MAR SPECIAL KENAI HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING PUBL I C SAFETY BU I L'D I NG KENAI, ALASKA~ March 13, 1980 · HARBOR COMMISSION MEMBERS: EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS: 1. CALL TO ORDER Mr. Robert Peterkin, Chairman Mr. John Wi 11.i ams, Vice-Chai rman Mr. Tom Ackerly Mr. Wi 11 iam Burnett Mr. Tom Wagoner Mr. Ron Isaacs, Pro tern Mrs. Betty G1 ick~, ..... '~ouncilwoman Mr. ~ince O'Reilly, :Mayor Commissioner 'Peterkin called the meeting to order"at 7'10 p.m. 2. ROLL CALL Commissioner Peterkin, Commissioner Ackerly, Commissioner Wagoner, .Commissioner Issacs (Pro tem) Commissioner Williams joined the meeting at 8-45 p.m. Commissioner Burnett was absent. 3. INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS Chairman Peterkin introduced Captain .Wayne 'Reynolds of the Corps of Engineers. This is a public hearing with the processors and people who own boats. The City'of.Kenai has entered into-a 107 stud~ with the Corps. This is a type of windshield study to find out if it's feasible to build a small boat harbor in the mouth of the Kenai River. The basic idea is should the're be a harbor and what should it do to benefit, would it be feasible for you and what locations ': are preferred. The Captain has brought some maps, with tentative locations and also some literature we would like to go through. Chairman Peter~kin turned the meeting over to Captain Reynol ds. Captain Reynolds introduced Phil Brna from the Environmental Section of the Corps, Captain Reynolds is from the Report Section. Colonel Nunn sends his regards. H~ then gave some background on What a 107 study is, !ts under our Continuing Authorities Program, In order to get a project constructed under a Corps. Authority you can get it through'a Congressional 'Act or a Continuing Authority Program ~'~. whereby we have a certain amount of money set aside every year to do studies, The 107 is a 2 million dollar study, which would mean the federal ,portion of~?b.e construction would ...... be 2 m~llion dollars. This ~~d>coYer the construction of breakwaters, entrance channels and turning basins, In a 107 study there are three stages. We are in the reconnaisance stage now, which means ve'ry l~ttle money and little time to develop information, The object is to find out whether or not the're is economic feasibility in'order to continue with the study, The second part of the study is the Detailed Project 'Report, In that phase detailed engineering and analysis would take place. The key is benefit cost ratio, The benefits that accrue from the project must be equal to or greater than the cost of the cost of the project over the lifetime of the structure, If we find that the benefit cost ratio is less than One, we may not go into th~ second phase of the study. We would .conclude at that time there is a lack of economic justification, therefore the Corps of Engineers would not participate. . -1- T r, , , SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 The detailed project report is the same thing but more detailed. We end up with a design and then into construction. Reconnaissance is not detailed engineerin.g or analysis. He then referred to the list the Harbor CommiSsion had sent him of what was most important for this area. He. would like' to find out if the list was satisfactory in importance. 'and where is a feasible location, and will any of the alternatives answer our needs.. The alternatives were developed in his office with Phil Brna and a. hydraulics engineer.~ The~first~alternative is "R". It is close to.the mouth of the River and they believed that it was City property. A creek could flush the harbor. · The primary area considered was TraCt D, or ABCDE.. I.t is on the outside of the curve. The .channel, according to hydraulic~ is al'so on the outside of the curve. It was al so City property. The third alternative is KLMNO. It was believed to be CitY property, it was close to the mouth of the River and was on the outside of the curve. The fourth was FGHI. It looked like ~ good.place from the air. A1 so, they looked at Salamatof Creek ~area, .but the creek is no longer there. Kal ifonsky Beach was another alternative. They thought about Something outside the River, rather than in the River. Another consideration was Kasilof. Concepts that were cons. idered were a dredged basin; or a perched harbor (which would be concrete, a basin built as opposed to dredged). A dry harbor is not in the Corps of Engineers authority to construct. One alternative is a fill area for dry storage, ramps for boats; also, considered mooring in th~ River, or finding a place to put temporary floats or permanent.floats that would be o~t of the channel, or mixing those. What we have to do is ~come up with one or two designs that we can say how much it would cost to build it. He hoped to get an idea what kind of harbor we should have in the report and put a cost to it. Chairman Peterkin gave some background on the City of Kenai and the financial aspect of the harbor. We are dealing with the Corps of Engineers on the 107 study. We have asked our legislators for a $500,000 grant to do the engineering and hydraulics study. This report and a report being done by Wince Corthell along with all the information .we.get from this meeting, and information from the Borough will be'ta.ken down to our legislators in Juneau. For this season we asked for the'$500,O00.' This summer and next winter the engineering and hyd~'~ulics..studies will'be done. At that~point there is an additional 4 mill~ion dollars being asked from the legislature, plus 2 million dollars from the Corps of Engineers to start the boat harbor possibly in the summer of 1981. Captain Reynolds stated the othe'r important aspect~of the benefit cost ratio, is benefits. In 1976 the .Corps of Engineers .did a feasibility studY and it was found not economically feasible because the cost was greater than the · benefits. We need as many benefits as possible, we don't want to mi ss any. .The costs will be obvious, the benefits will be more illusive. We must send a report to our superiors in Portland, Oregon, the North Pacific Division, and they will agree or disagree. We need~backup information. -2- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 Phil Brna asked Captain Reynolds to explain what he meant by benefits. Captain Wayne Reynolds explained that benefits are things like damage that occurs now, that a small boat harbor would prevent. · If We can relate the quality of fish to delay time in the mouth of the River we can count that as a benefit. The complete loss of your fish because of delay time would be a benefit.. When barges can't get into the mouth of the River, the number of times that happens and the time and its worth would be a benefit. When we finish with this reconnaissance study,'it shou!d~ not Say~'that no development is ~easible,. only that it is not feasible'to the Corps of Eng~'neers. ~ Chairman Peterkin stated that we have the personal property tax rolls from the Borough to April 1978. We have identified 825 boats in Sterling, Kenai, Soldotna, and North Kenai. We don'~t have a dollar and cent figure or break- down with commercial fishing boats or recreational boats. Would like some fix on how many boats are used in the mouth of the River. On the processor's side of benefits, would it be possi~ble to go into .another species .line than salmon, such as halibut, herring, sh-rimp~etc.? This could be a benefit' Mr'. Norm Mapes, fi sherman~ stated that the number One concern is human life. That river is dangerous. His next concern is his boat. With 5 - 7 boats tied to a buoy, when it's rough they are smashing together. As far as being economical for Kenai he Will run 6 hours further to go to Homer to avoid Kenai Rive~r. I don'~ know how many people we have lost, but it is dangerous, Captain-Reynolds pointed out that on 'the priority list for the small boat harbor the Harbor Commission did not put environmental on the top of the list. The Corps of Engineers did. They are only one agency, and when they do some- thing, many agencies get involved. Mr: Mapes commented that they care more' about ducks 'than his kids, Captain Reynolds stated that maintenance was not on the Harbor Commission'-s list. I't must be maintained and we will have to live with that cost, Chairman Peterkin questioned Mr. Mapes as to'the location that he p.referred, Mr. Mapes thought that KLMNO because it didn'.t seem like it would take that much work or money. ~ Chairman Peterkin asked him if he could relate specifically to a small boat harbor. Would he get more money for his fish?. Mr. Mapes replied that he would save fuel~on the 6 - 8 hours it takes him to go to Homer. If fishing halibut, you go to Homer, spend time driving back and .forth, He would save 200 miles round trip, twice a week, Chairman Peterkin asked if the fish is l0 - 12 hours old, what does. it do to' the fish~'in specific dollars and cents. -3- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING Of March 13, 1980 Mr. Mapes stated that there is a possibility that he could 'get more money for his fish. So far, the fisherman have had a base price. He hasn't had any fish spoil, but they've been in pretty rough shape some~-$mes. Commissioner Wagoner stated that the number one priority is life saving needs. Does the Corps have any way to relate that to a cost 'benefit ratio? Captain Reynolds replied that if a fisherman is lost, we can relate to how much money he makes every year. He apologized 'for .how terrible it sounded, but the Corps is limited in that way. He was sure that it will be considered.. Commissioner wagoner read a report of a telephone conversation between John Sullivan of the Coast Guard and the administrative assistant, The Coast Guard has had trouble getting cooperation wi'th the-people in this area and had no statistics on casualties in the mouth of the Kenai. Commissioner-Wagoner stated that he knew of two drownings in the last two years directly related to commercial fishing. Chairman Peterkin requested that' Marvin Dra§seth, President of Royal Pacific Fisheries, Inc., .explain what happens to the fish once it goes out of the water. Mr. Dragseth explained that it's downhill in qual'ity, Even in brine and brine chilled boa ts, the small boa ts can'~t use that Chairman Peterkin aSked whydoesn~t the price flucuate to the fisherman? Mr. Dragseth replied that in the past fish were processed in the can, Now, a buyer can go into any freezer in the country and tell how' long that fish has been out of the water before it was frozen. Up to this time there has been no grading in the Cook Inlet area. In 1981 there will be different prices for fish; good fish, bad fish and no fish, Chairman Peterkin asked him to speculate the price between good fish and bad fish? Mr. Dragseth replied .15.~ to '20¢ per pound, Chai~man Peterkin asked him to estimate time of. fish caught, to the dock, Mr. Dragseth said by-the time they are unloaded 24 - 28 hours, In !978 it was 30 -36- hours, Captain ReynOlds stated that he believed that there was a klutz in th.e moUth of the River and everybody can't get offloaded.~ If the klutz is gone can. the cannery take fish any faster? Mr. Dragseth replied that the biggest Problem is there are 3 - 4 docks and there are 11 processors. Captain Reynolds stated that'Norther~ Paci.fic Division will ask me if your -4- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 · gOing to get .10¢ .more per pound, can the canneries handle them any fas'ter. Mr. Dragseth replied that he unloaded in Kasilof. AbOut si.x of them do. Chairman Peterkin'stated that Mr. Dragseth's processing plant is on Kalifon- sky Beach Road. Mr. Dragseth commented that there was only one dock that yOu can unload at low tide, that i.s Salamatof. He also stated that there must be a fuel facility in this River. He thought that ABCDE would be the best place, for a small boat harbor. Ther. e is 'a creek running ~own' to flush that harbor, it is above all the heavy freight traffic, there is lots of room and it is City owned 1 and. Mr. Dan Clausen had an. objection to location KLMNO. One big factor is ice, there is a heavy flow there. There is considerabl-e debris that could injure vessels and docks. There is considerable wind generated wave aCtion. With the current it would be di-fficult to dock. The Port of Kenai is above this and there will be a considerable amount of barge traffic. This year Northern Service, Inc. has scheduled 5 barges, you are talking about a big unit. A dock there will be in the way of these barges and there will be congestion of vessels. ABCDE area is out of the way of everybody. The curve would provide a fl ushing out. Phil Brna stated that there may be some concern about the snow geese. Fish & Wildlife, Fish & Game and EPA haVe approval of any project. Mr. Clausen pointed out that the geese will move to another spot, they won'-t fall down and die. Mr. Brna said that' they are there 'for a reason. Mr. Clausen said they said the same thing when they were going to put the high- way i n. Captain Reynolds said the environmental approval or disapproval would be there and should be addressed. Mr. Brna commented that there may be indirect effects that we can.'t see, Chairman Peterkin .remarked that Tract D runs approximately 16 - 18 feet up River past two existing, recently received Engineer's permits, The City has also selected this as our #1 choice, We know-that we are crowding the environ- mental factor, but we didn't figure that 16 - 18 feet would be that critical, Mr. Brna stated that they looked at all alternatives and ranked them, That came out last because of the geese, That is not saying that it would have a s'i§nificance, Captain Reynolds commented that if everything el~se comes out fine, but the environmental aspect is questionable, the permit may not be authorized, The importance of the envirOnmental aspect is impressed upon us. If you can pick another place you have a better chance, -5- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 There was further discussion on the geese situation. Several people stated that theY had never seen Snow Geese in that area, only Canadians. Mr Dragseth stated that they are only in the river area .for three weeks, and 99% ~f th~ fishing is done after the first of May. Mr. Bob Barton, Manager for Dragnet Fisheries spoke. He mentioned that in applying for fuel applications the priorities this year have changed from food production (Dept. of Agriculture) to mass transit. We go for fuel allocations and they are talkin.g about .saving fuel. You are talking about thousands of gallons of fuel with these big boats .and tenders.-You have more traffic up River rather than if they unload at a central point. Mr. Dragseth uses about 50 gallons for a round trip to Kasilof where he is unloading now because he can'~t unload in Kenai. Captain Reynolds asked how often. Mr. Dragseth said 20 trips for 3 tenders per season or 60 trips per year. Mr. Barton estimated 40 - 50 boats to Homer instead of Kenai.~ 40 - 50 boats that are fishing the Upper Cook ~'nlet would go to Homer rather than go into the mouth of the Kenai because of the congestion. Mrs, Ruby Coyle added that you are talking about salmon. Some fish halibut, which is a longer season. Chairman Peterkin asked Mr, Mapes how' many' WOrk hal.ibut season. Mr. Mapes replied 20 - 30, maybe 40 boats fishing out of Kenat, there are more every yea Captain Reynolds asked how much of that trip 'from Kenai to Homer is excess? Chairman Peterkin said 60 gallons per round trip, about 20 round trips with salmon, 40- 50 boats doing that. Mr. Mapes stated 30 - 40 boats out of Kenai fishing halibut. 15 days in May, supposedly 15 in June, 30 days that the boats would be fishing, Chairman Peterkin stated that ou~ of that 30 day period I0 trips to Homer for those 30 boats, About 3 days avera§e to Homer and back, Captain Reynolds suggested that we get this ~written down, and encourage anyone to make a written statement. Mr. Tommy Thompson asked how many years before this could become a reality, Chairman Peterkin stated that if everything fell into place, the summer of 198!, Mr. Thompson thought that ABCDE area would be the logical location, ~e sunk his boat in the Kenai River 2 years ago. Cost him $10,'000 to $12,000, It wouldn't have happened if there had been a small, boat harbor, because he'd have been in his slip, -6- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 Mr. Thompson said we are driving to Homer when we could be here. We always have to work on the boats and spend a lot of time driving back and forth. Kasilof, Ninilchik, Seward and Homer- we have as many boats as those places. Chairman peterkin-'asked Mr. Thompson if he would be willing to write in and estimate, date and damage to boat for the Corps of 'Engineers, Concentrate on dollar and cents figures. Captain Reynolds commented that in the Corps 1976 report we attributed a number for damage per boat~.~ He would be glad to have a number like that. He needs' historical record or recollection on the values Of those boats. He commented that the money used to build the harbor comes from the taxpayers in the entire country. Chairman Peterkin noted that the Corps of Engineers was not coming.up with all the money, only for turning areas, breakwaters, and entrance channels. We are appealing to the legislature for 4 million dollars to design the boat harbor. The Corps of Engineers would come in with 2 million and the State of Alaska 4 million and possibly more from Coastal Energy on the recreational side. We are going for $500,000 grant money for design. We are looking at 4- 6 million dollars. The economist at the Co'rps of Engineers put a rough figure of $600,000 to $700,000 worth of cost benefits savings to the people that use that boat harbor. We have to prove that there is $600,000 to $700,000 worth of need over a 20 year period. Mr. Phil Ames spoke and stated that the benefits would accr. ue to all people. In 1977 the Coast Guard. hired him to run-up and down the river from tidewater to Skilak Lake. As early as 1977 they. count~ed as many as 600 recreational boats on one Saturday downstream from Moose River. Upstream from Moose River another 400 boats. That's 1000 boats total. Since the commercial fishe'rman was pretty well represented tonight he would stick with sport fishing. Most are launched from one of three sites in the Soldotna area. One above the Soldotna bridge and the other two below. All are 'in areas where its not too safe. They launch a longways from where he intends to go fishing. With a small boat basin and facility you would immediately get about 200 small sport fishing boats that would run 'up river to fish. There are local people but you ~wOuld probably find 500 campers and trailers that represent people from the lower 48 states. He thought alternative "R:' was a bad choice. It is totally unprotected. Captain Reynolds stated that they had considered breakwater for this area. Mr. Ames stated that at one time the coast Guard hired him and they did a study on the depth of the river. West of the K i'n the word Kenai (on map Captain Reynolds had) was the deepest point in the entire river, 35 feet deep. Commissioner Williams arrived at 8'45 p,m. Mr. Phil Ames drew the channel of the river on the map for Captain Reynolds, -7- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETI~NG of March 13, 1980 Mr. Dan Clausen explained that he had ~spend 32,years at sea, about 1.5 years of that time on tugboats and had last been employed as tug captain. He felt there was a need to el imate from .the river the400 - 450 boats that anchor. along the river during the salmon season Those boats are an obstacle for tug captains. The effort of bringing a 3~0 foot barge into the fiver is very difficult, it is difficult to control, and is very discouraging. NOrth- land Services, Inc, plans on bringing 5 barges .into this river this year. Somehow the river has to be reasonable cleared for commercial traffic. Captain Reynolds stated to put numbers on that, It is very valid, Mr. Clausen stated that Mr. Wilt Hancock has the schedule on proposed barge traffic coming into the river. Mr. Clausen had a boat tip off of a trailer and had to hire a crane. Chairman Peterkin said we could use any dollar and cents figures on launching boats in and out of the river for cost benefit ratio, At 9'00 p.m. Chairman Peterkin-called a recess. At 9-15 p.m. Chairman Peterkin called the meeting back to order. Phil Brna commented that no one stated that we couldn't build ABCDE, only the environmental impact is greatest there. Mrs. Ruby Coyle, 'part ~boat owner, stated that further down river from ABCDE the cost of keeping up the entrance would be small. She believed ~that the Corps of Engineers selected this site as second priority-in the 50's. It ~s' ~rd for her to rationalize that Bob Roper got a permit from the Corps of Engineers in the past few years on Tracts B & C. He couldn't see the priorities of the birds. Commissioner Williams-noted that every report or study even those "warranting special interest" shows ABCDE as a site of development; it's already shown as. a boat harbor. Mr.. Waldo C°yle.,' fisherman, has spent 32 years on the Kenai River and remarked that anyplace the Corps of Engineers saw fit to put a boat harbor, he would go along with it. He would not argue w!th-any.~of ~hese s~tes, 'h.e would use ~ny of them. Last year I tipped my boat over, it would never haYe happened if there had been. a small boat harbor, He runs from the cannery-, after del!ver~n§ his fish up river; it takes an extra hour every, time he goes fish!n§ because there no harbor. He has a mooring and a permit to moor from the COrps of' Eng?neers, Chairman Peterkin asked Mr. Coyle how bi§. was his boat and what i~s th.e appraised value. Mr. Coyle replied 36 foot, and is appraised at $40,000, Commissioner Wagoner stated that his is appraised at $!38'000 with a replacement value of $150,000. He has a 37 foot boat, -8- SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 Mr. Bob Barton of Dragnet Fisheries stated that'the fisherman always got one price. The packer had to eat the difference; about 50% caused by the condition of the fish. Captain Reynolds asked 50% is 'the result of that delay? Mr. Barton stated that in a slugged market the buyers will buy number 1. In canned salmon the buyer's can't tell, in frozen they can. A matter of number 1 versus number 3 fish, There is new attention, the packers are being graded hard. Number 2's last year may be number 3's this year. There is a much more demanding market. .Commissioner Wagoner asked when does belly burn start on the fish. Belly burn is acid going through the belly Of the fish. Could be cost benifit ratio. Mr. Barton said it would depend on the temperature of the .fish. Captain Reynolds wanted to find out what will answer our needs. Specifically, whether or not a dry harbor concept can or cannot fill the bill. Perhaps a combination do the job? Can mooring in the river? Mr. Dragseth said that at 3~00 in the morning it's hard with that many fisherman and · boats in and out., twice a week. Sometimes, there is a 12 hour announceme~t, we usually know not later th-an lO p.m. Captain Reynolds suggested some boats in the river and some on dry land;could use t~m~rar¥ floats. Mr. Dragseth said there aren't enough cranes in the Kenai area to use cranes. Captain Reynolds questioned a full tide harbor or a half tide harbor? Does everybody at low tide leave at the same time? Mr. Dragseth replied in 1 1/2 hours, 500 boats. Captain Reynolds ques.tioned if you can't get out now, a full tide harbor will not get you out any faster. Why have a full time time operating harbor when you are not operating 24 hours? Mr. Clausen pointed out that with a dry harbor a fire coul~d wipe the entire fleet out and there would be no way to move the boats out of the rive.r. A dry harbor is hopeless. Captain Reynolds stated that the Corps of Engineers is not .authorized to build a dry harbor. Chairman Peterkin commented that Mr. Don Statter, Division of Harbor Design & Public Facilities for the State of Alaska feels that we should have a dry harbor. That is why the Harbor Commission instructed the Corps Of Engineers to build a dry harbor. SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 Mr. Clausen asked Mr. Oberts what will happen to his insurance width a dry harbor versus a wet harbor. Mr. Oberts, of Oberts Insurance Company, stated that with catastrophe danger the insurance would be considerable higher. Captain Reynolds stated that in a full tide harbor the depth of the channel basin is the depth of the channel in the ri'ver, That is a maintenance night- mare because of the sedimentation. Commissioner iWoangoner explained a system of locks that would reduce the amount of~edimen'i~at" ~' There was further discussion on 'this. On the full tide versus half tide harbor Mr, Coyle commented that the fisher- man might only haVe 6 hours notice, Fish and Game dosen'i~ annonce by--tides. Chairman Peterkin noted that if you can't get from the River to. the Inlet, you miss the fishing. Captain Reynolds stated that the Foundations and Materials Section did some studies to measure how fast holes would fill in and found out the sedimeni~ation rate was very high. Mr. Dragseth commented that a creek would flush the harbor. There is a creek by ABCDE. Commissioner Williams suggested building our own creek' Chairman Peterkin suggested diverting the flow of water from Beaver Creek or another place; or constructing a gate that would be closed during the months that the harbor is not in use. Captain Reynolds stated that the 1976 report came~'~ out negative because of the maintenance costs of'.the-harbor. This phase of the study is general. The maintenance costs must be bumPed up against the benefits. There was some discussion on the possible uses of the silt. Commissioner Williams requested that the processor's and fisherman document in writing any cost benefit savings and send to the City of Kenai, Chairman Peterkin added that the guiding services last year took out well over 1,000 people in sport fishing on the Kenai River. He then read the "Random Sample Telephone Survey of Central Peninsula Permit ~Holders'' done by Derry & Associates. Captain Reynolds asked for a. solid count of tenders in the River. Mr. Dragseth stated 18- 20. tenders. SPECIAL HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING of March 13, 1980 Chairman Peterkin asked for any final statements from the audience. Mrs. Ruby CoYle remarked that ~there is 'no place for anyone to come out and tie their boat. There is no Public dock, only private docks. Captain Reynolds Concluded that the location that the peoPle ~,n this'~area want is ABCDE, Above'Cherrier & King dock you are out of the way of barges. The'fisherman and processor's' do not'~want it in the Inlet because it is not convenient, and there is more ,,. ~s to rm acti'vity You want the boats out of the River because the removal of congestion is one of th'e major benefits. The fish could get to the processor faster. Safety is a major concern. You want a full tide harbor s.o you have the ability to get into the inTet from the River.. Mr. Clausen commented that Homer would be. nothing without its harbor. A small boat harbor would draw more buSiness to Kenai. Chairman Peterkin asked Mr. Oberts if he recalled any comparison with this meeting and a hearing held in 1971 with Mr. Gravel. Mr. Oberts felt that Captain ReYnolds should be complimented' It is the best meeting that he has ever attended. Captain Reynol'ds thanked the Harbor Commission and-the fishermen and processor's for their help. The meeting adjourned at 11'15 p.m. Ro~~t ~6'rki n ,\Cha i rman Harbo Commi ssi on Respectful ly submitted, Kim Howard ^dmini'str~ti've ~ss'i st~nt