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Home My WebLink About1995-10-09 Harbor Commission SummaryKENA1 HARBOR C~MMISSI~N AGENDA ~ctober 9,1995 Kenai City Hall 7:00 p.m. Chairman Will Jahrig 1. R~3LL CALL 2. APPR~VAL C?F AGENDA 3. APPRUVAL OF MINUTES - September 11, 1995 4. PERS~NS SCHEDULED TD BE HEARQ 5. OLD BUSINESS a. 6ill Nelson - Bluff Erosion 6. NEW BUSINESS a. Lease of Tidelan ds 7. INF4RMATI~N 8. C~MMISSIaN C~MMENTS & QUESTI4NS a. City Council Agendas 9. ADJt~URNMENT Set date for next meeting. IF Y~U ARE UNABLE T~ ATTEND THE MEETING ON 4CTQBER 9,1995, PLEASE CALL KATHY WU~DFC~RD AT 283-1535 BY 4:00 P.M. ~N THAT DATE. THANK Y~U. Harbor Com~mission *~'~~utes~~~ ~ctober 9 1995 - 7:00 .m. ~ p Cit Council Chambers y Chairman Tom Thom son p 1. ROLL CALL Members Present: Ray McCubbins, George Spracher, Tom Thompson, Mike McCune Members Absent: Jeannie Munn, Barry Eldridge, Will Jahrig Also Present: Jim Bookey, Keith Kornelis, Debby Fahnholz, Bill Nelson 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was approved as written. 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Ray McCubbins MOVED that the minutes be approved as written. George Spracher SECONDED the motion. The minutes were approved as written. 4. PER54NS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD None. 5. OLD BUSINE5S A. Bluff Erosion - Bill Nelson was introduced. He explained he had been invited to speak to the Commission regarding bluff erosion problems. He stated he is currently working with Dillingham on another similar project. Bill felt it would be feasible to develop a wall at the creek entrance and work it back incrementally as funds become available. He stated that ultimately a steel sheet piling would be ideal, but could run $1000 per lineal foot and would possibly be 20 feet high. It would need to go at least 30 feet above mean water. Harbor Commission October 9, 1995 Page 1 ~~~ Jim Bookey stated that there has been discussion on using concrete pilings. Bill responded that because the silt is such fine grained material, that if it can get behind the pilings, it would fail. Anything that is put in would need to have twice as much in the ground as there is above ground. He did not feel that there was any conf'iguration that would be good. He stated that only if the pilings were cut up and used as rip rap, or possibly a rubble wall would work, but it would need to be graded and the rubble would have to be dug in. Jim Bookey asked about possibly putting the pilings in front of the dunes as a solution to ~he dune erosion problems. Bill responded that they would probably work well as a sand fence and to divert vehicular traffic off the dunes. Mike McCune asked if Bill had ever worked with vinyl sheeting. Bill stated he had never worked with it and as far as he knew it hasn't been tried up here. Keith stated that he had gane to Unocal and checked out the sheet piling they were putting in there. He stated that Phillips gabions did not hold during the first major storm that hit and the gabions failed. Keith stated that the gabions at the city dock have problems with ice getting caught in the mesh and pulling the mesh out. Bill stated that even gabions were cost prohibitive because of the cost of rip rap material. Jim Bookey asked if building a steel wall in sections would accelerate the problems above or below the area. Bill responded that it would be difficult to determine how much impact it would have without a lot of documentation as to prior erosion compared to erosion after the fact. Keith stated that they have lost four or five feet at Mission Street. He was hoping to get the Corps to approve rip rap for that situation, but only for a short term solution. Bill stated that during the big storms, using the pilings would help, but they would definitely need to be anchored down somehow to keep them from being washed away. If the water got behind them, then they could be washed out into the river, causing a much bigger liability. Jim Bookey stated he would pass on to Council what he learned, but it didn't sound like there was going to be any quick or cheap fix to the problem. His concern about using the pilings on the bluffs was more for liability if they were washed out. He felt it would be better to use them on the back side of the dunes to control vehicular and off road traffic and to control access across the dunes, with a circular parking area installed at the end. He felt educational information and signage would be a key part of a successful program Harbor Commission October 9, 1995 Page 2 Tom Thompson recommended that we: A) not embark on a cement piling project at this time due to the uncertainties of them moving and the liability involved and to put that recommendation on hold; and B) he suggested looking into a parking lot with a turnaround at the end, education of ~he public, and a series of boardwalks through the natural cuts in the dunes. Consensus of the Commission was unanimous to have the recommendation go to Council. 6. NEW BUSINESS A. Lease of Tidelands - Keith stated that Kendall and Thad Carlson have requested an official lease on an area ~hey have been ~shing for many years. Mike asked if this was approved, if it would be published and open for bid. Keith stated that he thought t~at was the case. Jim felt that if we didn't lease it, there could be a liability there. he stated that this had nothing to do with where they can set up their nets, it only protects them for their access to the site. Mike McCune MUVED to allow the requested tideland area be leased to the Carlson's. George Spracher SECONDED. The motion was approved unanimously. 7. INFORMATION A. Jim Bookey stated that he felt confident that he had been re-elected, though the count was not official yet. S. COMMISSI~NER CON[MENTS AND OUESTIONS None. 9. ADJOUR~~IMENT The next meeting was scheduled for November b, 1995. Mike McCune MOVED to adjourn. George Spracher SECONDED. The meeting was adjourned at 8:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~- ~ ~~ ~ ~ A j, ~ ~V~ '...~• \ Debb J. olz .~ Y Harbor Commission October 9, 1995 Page 3