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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-11-18 Historic District Board SummaryHISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD November 18, 1996' 5:30 p.m. ***AGENDA*** Kenai.Council Chambers Chair Dorothy Gray 1. ROLL CALL: 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: October 22, 1996 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. HISTORIC BOARD REVIEW: 6. NEW BUSINESS: 7. OLD BUSINESS: a. Sign Grant b. Shkituk' Village Site c. Preservation Plan 8. REPORTS: 9. INFORMATION: a. Historic District Board Roster b. City Council Agenda--November 6, 1996 c. Appointment letter to Gloria J. Wik d. "Heritage" Newsletter e. Ordinance No. 1726-96 f. Ordinance No. 1723-96 10. BOARD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS: 11. ADJOURNMENT: NOTE-- NEW MEETING DATE 1. ROLL CALL: HISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD November 18, 1996- 5:30 p.m. ***MINUTES*** Members present: Members absent: Others present: Dorothy Gray, Michael Huhndorf, Ethel Clausen, Rebecca Godek, Gloria Wik Alan Boraas, Kim Booth, Bill Kluge City Engineer Jack La Shot, Administrative Assistant Marilyn Kebschull, Councilman Joe Moore 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: CHAIRPERSON GRAY ASKED FOR CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA. NO CHANGES OR ADDITIONS NOTED--AGENDA APPROVED. 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: October 22, 1996 CHAIRPERSON GRAY ASKED FOR CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 22. NO CHANGES OR ADDITIONS NOTED. MINUTES APPROVED. 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. HISTORIC BOARD REVIEW: 6. NEW BUSINESS: 7. OLD BUSINESS: a. Sign Grant Gray reported that Bunny Swan had submitted the sketches for the Shkituk' Village Site. Gray stated she felt it would be proper, in the form of a motion, to approve payment for Bunny to be paid the $500 for the art work. HUHNDORF MOVED TO ACCEPT THE SKETCHES AND TO PAY BUNNY SWAN $500 FOR THE ARTWORK. MOTION SECONDED BY GODEK. Gray asked for further discussion. Gray stated she thought that someone had thought that the animal should look more moose-like. Gray stated she thought it still looked like a caribou. Moore stated it looks like a caribou. Huhndorf stated that caribou were indigenous to this area and felt it was supposed to be a caribou. VOTE--UNANIMOUS Gray asked Huhndorf the process for proceeding on the sign. Huhndorf explained that Sasha said she would provide the name of a man (Allen) who works in this business. Huhndorf explained Allen will lay out the large fiberglass panels and supply those adding that he will also supply the kit for the wood frame. Gray reported for Wik's sake that they had applied for a grant through OHA to have signs erected in Old Town plus signs for the Shkituk' site. Gray explained that these pictures will be etched on panels. Huhndorf continued explaining the plan for the sign and site to Wik. Gray asked if there was wording for the sign also. envelope for with the drawings. Kebschull advised it was in the Wik asked if the grant was entirely for the three panels. Gray explained that will be part of it adding this sign will cost approximately $2,000 and that they had received a total grant of about $6,000. Wik asked where the signage in Old Town will be placed. Gray noted permission has to be gained from the property owners and they will either be free standing signs or placed on the side of the buildings. Gray added that they set aside enough money that should the signs be placed on cedar posts there was money available. Wik asked how large the signs were. Gray stated they would be 4' by 6" with an indented 4 by 8 inch rectangle where a metal plaque with information about the house or the site will be inserted. Gray further advised at the last meeting they had chosen the properties to sign. Wik stated she would like to make a note of the misspelling on one of the future sites for signage noting Juliussen should be corrected on page three of the minutes from the last meeting. Huhndorf suggested verifying the spellings of all names before the signs are completed. Gray stated she felt they should also approve the wording for the Shkituk' sign. Gray read wording for panels' Panel 1--"This is the site of the village of Shkituk' where the Dena'ina lived for 2000 years. Gray asked Huhndorf to clarify where the apostrophe goes in Shkituk'. Huhndorf checked Peter Kalifornsky's book and noted the correct spelling and placement of apostrophe's should be' Shk'ituk't Panel 2--"Qech Qidini "Reflect on it..." "In early 1900 Dena'ina begin to leave this place. It is known that a priest helped some relocate to what is now the village of Kenai for their safety. Changes came that made the Dena'ina invisible. This nearly resulted in the loss of their culture." Panel 3--"Their spirit lives in today's Kenaitze Dena'ina who protect and reaffirm their heritage." "ln this time' In this place" Historic District Board Minutes Page 2 November 18, 1996 Gray stated that because she is a language teacher she wondered if KIT would entertain in Panel 2, they have Dena'ina that it would be nice to have a parallel construction and to have Welcome in Dena'ina. Gray continued saying the second panel says "Reflect on It" in Dena'ina and if the third panel had "In this time' In this Place" translated in Dena'ina that would be nice. Gray did note that KIT was designing the sign. Huhndorf clarified that Gray was suggesting having "Welcome" in Dena'ina in the first panel and "In this time' In this Place" in Dena'ina in the third panel. Gray stated then they would have three Dena'ina phrases. Huhndorf clarified he needed to obtain the phone number for the paneling, the wording with KIT, and clarify the spelling on Shkituk'. Gray confirmed this. Gray stated she felt the Commission could approve the wording with the minor changes if KIT would agree. GODEK MOVED TO ACCEPT THE WORDING ON THE THREE PANELS AS WAS DISCUSSED. MOTION SECONDED BY WIK. Huhndorf asked if Godek she had seen the original sketches of the sign. Godek advised she had and had one with the suggested changes that the caribou be made to look like a moose. VOTE: UNANIMOUS b. Shkituk' Village Site Gray noted there is no additional information on the Shkituk' Village site but had placed it on the agenda for discussion purposes. Gray stated she had discussed with Kebschull the possibility of obtaining further information on the site and the possibility of writing a memo to the administration for further clarification of what has been done to the Shkituk' Village Site. Gray asked if the others felt that would be appropriate adding she knew the city was still developing the plan on what to do in that area. Huhndorf asked if Gray was speaking about an archeological dig and the possibility of assistance with funds. Huhndorf continued stated there had been talk about completing a dig before placing the sign and asking KNA and Salamantof about asking to fund it. La Shot stated that there had been a development plan for that area adding that as far as he knows it has been put on hold. Historic District Board Minutes Page 3 November 18, 1996 Gray noted that if they ask for further clarification it could be noted that the intention was to somehow complete an archeological dig through this group or with the help of some other groups. Gray stated if the plan is on hold through next summer, then this summer would be a perfect time to do a dig. Huhndorf noted that the tribe had a group called Susten Camp go to Cooper Landing and perform archeological digs. Huhndorf explained it is a learning opportunity for all the youth in the tribe and possibly there could be a similar arrangement if the city decides to do that. Gray asked Huhndorf to ask Boraas what his recommendation would be and what steps he would recommend taking in pursuit of this. Gray asked who they should send a letter to for an update on the site. La Shot advised the city manager. Gray asked if they should say it has been suggested and that the commission is interested in an archeological dig. Huhndorf stated that in terms of the costs, did the commission have a figure. Huhndorf asked if it was $2500 or $5000. Godek stated she thought it was $4000 and that the commission would ask the tribe to provide $2500 and that the city council had been asked to match that. Godek clarified council had been asked if the commission raised part of the funds if they would raise the other part. Godek stated that council had basically advised the commission to seek funding elsewhere. Gray noted that if this is something they want to do this summer, they will need to start looking for the funding now. Gray clarified that a motion was not necessary to ask administration for clarification on the property and asked Kebschull to write a memo. c. Preservation Plan Huhndorf stated he was still working on his section. read 1 6 and 1 6a on how OHA prepares this. Huhndorf noted he had almost Gray advised Wik that after the meeting she could obtain a copy of the TSH survey that was completed this year. Gray explained that it was prepared through a grant and talks about all the buildings in the zone. Gray noted that the survey contains the bulk of the preservation plan. Godek asked if they had a map of the TSH district. Gray advised it is in survey. Godek asked if the house that the mayor wanted to move was in the district. Moore stated he thought it was on Beaver Loop. Godek explained the Mayor Historic District Board Minutes Page 4 November 18, 1996 wanted to move the Mary Cunningham house to the ball fields. Gray asked where he was going to move it and Godek explained on the Spur Highway by the ball fields. Group discussion about the 'planned move. Gray asked if it was a log cabin. cabin with dovetail construction. one downstairs. Moore stated it is a uniquely constructed log Godek advised it is two rooms, one upstairs and La Shot stated he is not sure where it is on Beaver Loop. going to go and see it but there is a "keep out" sign there. the cabin is located to La Shot. Godek stated she was Godek explained where Gray 'advised they would keep working on the preservation plan for the next meeting. Godek stated that the reason she was asking was that they might be able to sign that property; however, noted it was not in the district. Gray thought that they might be able to still place a sign on it as they had enough funds in the grant to do that. Godek stated that Mayor Williams requested that they reserve a sign adding she felt they should consider that. Gray noted they had come up with less than 30 properties adding they had set aside money for 30 signs. Kebschull explained that the scope of the grant allowed signage only for properties identified in the survey. Kebschull noted that if they wanted to sign that property they would probably have to have the Rotary donate that sign or say that the sign was paid for by city funds. Kebschull further explained that technically they could not fund that sign with the grant money. Gray stated that perhaps the Rotary would donate that sign. Gray commented they could suggest that the Mayor move it into Old Town. Gray further commented that the city must own some property there. Moore explained that the mayor wanted to put the cabin there with some old locomotive type thing that he has saved for years. Moore explained the mayor would like to put them where they can be enjoyed and use the Cunningham house as a meeting hall. Moore noted the mayor has free labor to move it and the offer from the Cunninghams to donate it. Godek added they have also offered to donate a cache of old photos. Gray noted there is an extra slab at Fort Kenay. that to the Mayor. Godek stated they could suggest 8. REPORTS: 9. INFORMATION: a. Historic District Board Roster Historic District Board Minutes Page 5 November 18, 1996 b. City Council Agenda--November 6, 1996 c. Appointment letter to Gloria J. Wik d. "Heritage" Newsletter ' e. Ordinance No. 1 726-96 f. Ordinance No. 1723-96 Gray noted that the council had approved the sign ordinance for the TSH zone. 10. BOARD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS' Gray asked for comments and items for the next agenda. Huhndorf questioned why the city council November 6th that Ordinance 1 723-96 the Comprehensive Plan was in the packet. Kebschull advised it was for their information. Huhndorf questioned why the newsletter was in the packet. Again, advised for information purposes. Gray stated she had never seen the Heritage Newsletter and asked if it was new. Huhndorf noted it is a quarterly newsletter. Huhndorf asked if we had a copy of the-state's final Preservation Plan. Kebschull advised that she hadn't seen it. Gray advised that at the next meeting Lloyd Johnson from the Rotary Club will be attending to talk about sign construction. Gray stated we will discuss how to approach the project and set out a time line. Gray advised that the letter has been sent to Anchorage for approval. Kebschull advised yes. Gray clarified that the property owners would be sent letters in December. Wik asked if the letters had been sent to the property owners and Gray clarified it was in Anchorage at OHA for approval. Wik stated she was curious noting that there is still a vacancy on the board. Wik commented that there is no special criteria for sitting on this board. Gray explained that there is criteria for sOme members. Wik asked the seat that is left has been advertised? Kebschull explained that the Clerk took care of advertising positions. Godek asked if Wik knew someone who might be interested. Wik clarified that they just needed to be a city resident and she was sure she could come up with someone. Huhndorf stated he had spoken with Bill Kluge and with the new meeting time he Historic District Board Minutes Page 6 November 18, 1996 should be able to make it. Godek advised that there is one new seat open and Booth as she is moving to Anchorage. the board will be losing Kim Gray commented that when she attended the council meeting on November 6th it was informal and unexpected. Gray stated she had called the city manager and was told of the policy that separates church and state. Gray stated she had called the Mayor and he advised they should ask council and council agreed to do it. La Shot stated they needed to discuss this. Gray continued stated it was informal and the next morning she read about it in the paper and in addition she had received a call from Jennifer Jolly and they want to film it on the Channel 2 news. Godek stated she felt it was interesting how they had left out the part about it being a historic building. Gray stated she didn't feel she had been quoted completely correct as it related to the National Historic Landmark. Moore stated he was confused about the church and state issue because at the last meeting council had donated bleachers to Cook Inlet Academy. La Shot asked Gray when they would be ready to place the cross and Gray stated it would probably be around Thanksgiving. Gray advised next meeting scheduled December 1 6th at 5'30 p.m. 1 1. ADJOURNMENT' Meeting adjourned at approximately 6'40 p.m. Respectfully Submitted' M[~ril~/n Kebschull Administrative Assistant Historic District Board Minutes Page 7 November 18, 1996