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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-12-16 Historic District Board SummaryHISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD December 16, 1996- 5:30 p.m. ***AGENDA*** Kenai Council Chambers Chair Dorothy Gray 1. ROLL CALL: 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 1 8, 1 996 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. HISTORIC BOARD REVIEW: 6. NEW BUSINESS: 7. OLD BUSINESS: a. Sign Grant · Rotary Club Graphic Works Quote · Designs--Signs and Mounts Sign Text , Shk'ituk't Village Sign , Townsite Historic District Signs b. Shk'ituk't Village Site--Update c. Preservation Plan 8. REPORTS: 9. INFORMATION: a. City Council Agenda--November 1 3, 1 996 b. Memo regarding Mission Street Improvements dated November 27, 1996 c. Letter from OHA regarding Survey Project d. "Preservation Advocate News" Newsletter (October 1996) e. "The Alliance Review" f. National Trust for Historic Preservation Memo dated 12/1/96 10. BOARD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS: 11. ADJOURNMENT: NOTE--NEW MEETING DATE /) HISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD December 16, 1996- 5:30 p.m. ***AGENDA*** Kenai Council Chambers Chair Dorothy Gray 1. ROLL CALL: 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 1 8, 1 996 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. HISTORIC BOARD REVIEW: 6. NEW BUSINESS: 7. OLD BUSINESS: a. Sign Grant · Rotary Club · Graphic Works Quote · Designs--Signs and Mounts · Sign Text · Shk'ituk't Village Sign · Townsite Historic District Signs b. Shk'ituk't Village Site--Update c. Preservation Plan 8. REPORTS: 9. INFORMATION: a. City Council Agenda--November 13, 1996 b. Memo regarding Mission Street Improvements dated November 27, 1996 c. Letter from OHA regarding Survey Project d. "Preservation Advocate News" Newsletter (October 1996) e. "The Alliance Review" f. National Trust for Historic Preservation Memo dated 12/1/96 10. BOARD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS: 11. ADJOURNMENT: NOTE--NEW MEETING DATE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD December 16, 1996 ***MINUTES*** 1. ROLL CALL: Members present: Members absent: Others present: Dorothy Gray, Kim Booth, Michael Huhndorf, Rebecca Godek, Gloria Wik Alan Boraas, Ethel Clausen Councilman Joe Moore, City Engineer Jack La Shot, Administrative Assistant Marilyn Kebschull 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Gray asked if anyone from the Rotary Club would be attending the meeting. Kluge advised that Lloyd Johnson had asked him to act on behalf of the Rotary Club. Gray asked for any changes or modifications to the agenda. None noted. Agenda approved. 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 1 8, 1 996 Gray asked for changes or additions to the minutes. None noted. Minutes approved. 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. HISTORIC BOARD REVIEW: 6. NEW BUSINESS: 7. OLD BUSINESS: a. Sign Grant · Rotary Club Gray advised the first item under Old Business was the sign grant and to make sure the Board was on track with it. Gray advised there was a timeline that needed to be followed. Kebschull asked Gray if she could follow the agenda as presented. Gray stated she wanted to bring Kluge up to date since he hadn't been at the past several meetings. Gray continued saying the letter to be sent to property owners was sent to OHA and it was returned with changes. Gray advised letters were to be sent to property owners in December asking permission to place signs on their property. Kebschull advised letters were sent December 5t~. Gray advised that the Board had to submit to the state office for review and comment designs for the signs and mounts. Gray noted that tonight the Board needed to review the substance of the sign. Gray noted that Kluge had advised he was representing Rotary and would relay information back to them. DG asked if we had received comment from property owners about the size of the signs. Kebschull advised the comment was from OHA. Kebschull stated she had received verbal comment and had assumed it would be included in the letter; however, it was not. Kebschull noted they were questioning if the Board would want the signs 6 inches wide and four feet long. Kluge advised at one time Rotary had some signs made of those dimensions and they were out of proportion. Kebschull noted that La Shot had brought a sample to show what a sign of those dimensions would look like. Booth asked if any comments received back from property owners in response to the letter. Kebschull advised that one property owner requested an addendum to the agreement to allow them to approve the wording for the sign and the attorney prepared an addendum. Booth asked who had requested the addendum and Kebschull advised Becky Tromblee. Kebschull advised that another property owner had requested that one line be stricken from the agreement. They were referred to the legal department. Kebschull advised that she believed it was the line that held the property owner or members of family responsible if they damaged the sign. Kebschull advised that the attorney had spoken with the city manager who was taking that into consideration. Huhndorf clarified if the city manager was considering this request and Kebschull advised yes. Kebschull noted she had received two signed agreements, one for the Historic Society and one from Wilson. La Shot advised that information had been provided to another property owner who had been surprised that her building was being considered. Gray advised she had talked with Kebschull about sending copies of property description from the survey to owners. Booth noted they had been asked for permission to place a sign but they hadn't been given information. Godek stated that Diane Loftstedt had asked for information about her house. Wik asked to see a copy of the letter that was sent out. shared it with Wik. Gray found a copy and Huhndorf asked if the property owner who had contacted the city was mostly concerned about his personal liability with sign or wondered if he had problems with the program. Kebschull advised his personal liability. Huhndorf advised James Showalter had talked to him and had questions about why he had received the letter. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 2 Gray noted that the size of sign that had been specified in the grant was 6" by 4 feet with a 4 by 8 inch indented space in the center to hold the plaque. Kluge asked if signs would be applied to the building. Gray stated that was up to the property owner to decide if they wanted free standing or applied to the house. Kluge commented that if you put a 4 by 8 inch brass plaque on the sign with verbiage engraved on it, without trespassing, people would need binoculars to read the text. Gray agreed. Booth advised she had received a call from a graphic designer in Anchorage who is working with a sign company there. Booth stated that their designers have worked with Disney in the past. Booth noted they have been in the business about 25 years. Booth stated she works with this designer quite a bit at the Visitor Center and he advised her of this sign company knowing that she was on this board and that there is an effort to try to unify the look in Old Town. Booth stated this company is interested in talking to the Board to determine what the Board is trying to accomplish with the signs. Booth explained she advised them of the grant and that it is a Iow dollar grant, and that the Rotary would be doing the routering. Booth stated that even if they could talk to us to determine if there is a particular theme the Board wants to carry through Old Town, they could make templates to make the routering very professional. Booth stated they want to work with TSH so as the Board progresses with signage in Old Town and as more and more things come on line that there is a unified source for the signs. Booth asked if we were too far down the road for something like this. Gray advised it wasn't too late if they were volunteering. Booth advised they would be willing to prepare a sample such as a sign for a lady's restroom door that could be used somewhere in Old Town. Booth advised they had just done some vintage signage in Anchorage and the signs look as old as the buildings. Booth added she has not seen any of their work. Booth asked if it would be possible to entertain something form them. Huhndorf commented he felt it would depend on if it would lock us into a theme. Booth advised they were looking at unified style of lettering. Huhndorf clarified they were just thinking about the appearance of the signs. Booth noted that they would not be concerned with the verbiage. Gray advised she felt there would be two ways to look at that. One is that Old Town is old and rustic and to have uniform signs might be a clash. Gray added that maybe having the unique, homemade signs really fits the area. Booth advised they weren't suggesting that they not homemade. Gray stated she is just stating that is another way to look at it and is throwing it out for the group to decide. Booth asked if someone from Rotary was going to be using their router at home. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 3 Kluge advised they had pursued this project some time ago and had made several signs of that size and had a template. Kluge commented he didn't think they looked very good. Wik asked if anyone had seen a sign and was advised Rotary had brought in some samples they had made. Kluge advised looking at the budget there was 160 board feet of cedar allocated to do the job. Kluge commented that 3/4 inch board was not what they would want to use to make the signs. Kluge noted we may have budgeted for more cedar that the size of sign would require. Kluge stated he was unsure about the pricing and was advised the prices were supplied by Rotary. Kluge stated he felt they need to take a step back and look at the budget adding that the board may not be able to afford 30 signs now if prices have risen. Kluge questioned the sign posts size. Discussion regarding what would happen if they changed the size of the sign and that they may be able to be mounted with one post. Discussion about how the posts would need to be placed in the ground. Wik asked why we were using such a large board. Kluge stated he would like to see a list building names provided from the group to the Rotary Club. From that they could computer generate the verbiage which could then be approved by the group. Kluge noted the drawback of cedar needing to be treated every four years and that it is soft wood and that the signs may be subjected to vandalism. Kluge commented he didn't know how this would affect the grant but that he thought it would be better if she signs were just brass plaques. Kluge stated he could check on-brass plaques and feels this would be the a better choice. Wik asked if they plan to create one sign as a mock up so the Board can review them before the rest are made. Kluge stated he felt they could adding that it could be computer generated. · Graphic Works Quote Gray advised the Board needed to look at quote. Kebschull advised quotes are in packet and there was not enough money budgeted for either quote. Kebschull stated she had checked with finance and it was possible to transfer funds; however, if there is a thought now that there may not be enough money for wood perhaps they need to take a step back. Huhndorf asked if the expense was in the wood or in the engraving. Kluge stated that tO create a decent cedar sign you need to start with clear material. Kluge discussed different wood sizes and pros and cons for different sizes. Kluge stated he felt what he should do rather than waste the time here, noting this was supposed to be a Rotary project, to have those people in Anchorage contact Lloyd Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 4 Johnson with a quote. Kebschull questioned Kluge if he was saying that Rotary would provide the funding for this. Kluge stated he felt they had the money noted in the budget to work with. Kebschull noted she didn't feel that they could afford to contract services. Kluge noted they would have to get the wood and Kebschull agreed. Booth stated he other question was that if they get this project complete and in two years or so, we need another sign. How will we get that sign with the changes in Rotary members and board members. Booth stated she appreciates the fact that Old Town had a "hodgepodge" effect but added she feels that they are trying to give people who will be taking the walking tour a sense of uniformity. Booth stated that was her question. Kluge stated that it is not very difficult to place a straight line border around it and place the text. Gray stated she didn't disagree however noted she felt the timing may be a little late by adding professional services not called for in the grant. Gray stated she felt uncomfortable with it noting we have entered into an agreement with the State using these amounts and none would include professional services by another organization. Gray noted it would be like sneaking or adding another cost into the budget. Gray noted that might look like the Board is doing something not legitimate. Gray stated that when they accepted the grant based on the information submitted, that is what they should work with. Gray stated if Rotary would somehow pay for them to work with them clear of the city's costs, that would be great. Gray reiterated it is her feeling that the Board needs to stick to the way that the grant was presented to the State and to the city. Booth stated she deals with grants too and if hypothetically the group decides they would entertain a mock-up of something, there is ~. 10 per letter at $20 per sign and in miscellaneous supplies and equipment there is $1,200. Booth stated that under miscellaneous there is another $500. Kebschull noted that if they accepted either of the Graphi¢'s quotes, that she was going to suggest transferring the $500 to cover the added costs. Kebschull also noted that the cost of the frame had not been added yet which had been included in the original amount for the Shk'ituk't sign. Kebschull stated that would already be over $800. Booth asked why only one quote was received. Kebschull advised that was the only company provided by the Board. Booth commented that they might be able to save money by having these people provide the same quote. Kluge noted that the last time he had fiberglass signage done it was done on the east coast for an interpretive trail at Portage Glacier. Kluge added that he probably had the contact information at his office. Kluge explained that it involves taking original artwork and then doing silk screening which gets expensive. Kluge noted that it is then embedded in fiberglass resin. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 5 Gray asked La Shot regarding the Old Town Village signs how closely the Board is tied to the agreement with the state in terms of applying the numbers in the grant. La Shot stated that he felt if they were within the budget, they could manipulate some things. La Shot added he didn't feel they would be given any additional funds. Kebschull advised that the Board needed to be concerned about scope of work at this meeting which requires designs be submitted by January 2nd. Kebschull added that she felt that the Board was "reinventing the wheel" and these decisions should have been made much earlier. Kluge stated that as far as the fiberglass signs are concerned, the quote stated they would take a computer generated print and embed them in fiberglass. Kebschull stated' she was not sure they were embedded noting the quote states encased. Kluge stated the signs he had had made for the interpretive trail were embedded in fiberglass and it was applied to a solid backing. Kluge noted that the state uses the same company for their signs. Kluge noted that usually a couple extra copies are made so when they are vandalized, they can be replaced. Kluge commented that he didn't know if this was the best approach adding that these quotes came in over budget. Discussion regarding the size of the panels. Kebschull noted that the company had questioned the size of the panels noting they were extremely large. Kluge commented that based on that size, the quote may not be that high. Kluge asked if the Board had seen the original artwork and was advised yes. Designs-- Signs and Mounts Kebschull suggested the Board look at their scope of work noting that they are not required to make a decision on this quote and may decide to seek other quotes. Kebschull noted they had time to do that but added they didn't have time to decide on designs. Kebschull noted that the Shk'ituk't sign is designed. Huhndorf questioned which signs needed to be designed. Kebschull explained they needed to decide on the size of the sign and how they would be mounted and if on posts, how will they be mounted. If placed on buildings, how will they be placed. Kebschull reiterated that according to the scope of work this information must be decided at this meeting. Booth questioned if they absolutely had to have this information to the state. Kebschull explained that if the information is not provided to the state by the due date, that they would not be on schedule with the scope of work. Kebschull noted that if that happened, she would have to inform the city manager that the TSH Board is not on schedule with the scope of work. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 6 Gray stated that she felt that a lot of that work had been done. Gray stated that if they decide to readjust the size of the signs, they can do that. Gray stated they know that they will be mounted on posts. Gray added that they know there will be an indented space for the metal plaque. Gray noted that if they want to reduce the lettering or make it more in line with the size of the board, that would be the main decisions to make. Kebschull noted that they needed to decide if the signs would be recessed into the post. 'La Shot stated that his concern with a sign the size they had proposed would require two posts. La Shot added that if they went with something smaller and not as wide, it may not require two posts. La Shot added that they need to decide if they want to use a bracket or a lag screw. La Shot added that they will have to decide to cover the screws or use some kind of decorative screw. Gray commented that if they use galvanized screws they can paint them. Gray commented that they maybe they are being over concerned about vandalism speaking from experience with signs at the church. Gray noted that Sherman Signs had made a sign for the church, she put two eight foot posts in the ground, and she screwed the sign to posts. Gray added that she hasn't done anything for two years. Gray stated she had used galvanized screws. Huhndorf stated looking at costs in the budget that a major cost is ten cents per letter, and $20 per sign. Huhndorf commented that they may just want the name of the house and the date and look at the cost from that point. Huhndorf noted he felt a lot could be taken in context from the date. Huhndorf questioned if the engraving included the routering on the sign and was advised no. Booth explained that the other routering would be donated by Rotary. Kluge noted that Rotary would be supplying the labor to produce the signs. Gray suggested the Board make one decision and decide how the signs should be mounted on the posts. Gray asked if they wanted them recessed or flush with the posts. La Shot suggested that before they decide the size of the sign first. Booth noted they needed to decide if one post or two. La Shot noted that with the current sign, that with one post there would be a lot of sign sticking out on both sides. La Shot added that if they narrowed the size of the sign and made it thicker, that one post may be fine. Booth.asked if Kluge felt it would be more secure if the sign was recessed. Kluge stated he felt it should be let-in to the post. Kluge stated he felt it would be wise to use adhesive also when applying it to the post. Discussion about the Rotary emblem. Kluge noted that funds were provided in the Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 7 -- ) budget for the emblem. Kluge suggested also placing a City of Kenai emblem on the sign. Wik stated she felt that was a good idea. Kluge noted that they would need to see where the city gets their pens from. Gray asked the Board what they felt about using one post versus two posts. Godek stated she felt if the sign were smaller and better proportioned and the sign could not be spun around, she would suggest one post. Kluge agreed he felt that one post would be better as it would be easier to mow around. La Shot noted that if the sign did need to be moved, one post would be easier to deal with. Kluge stated he felt the sign should be let into the post. Kluge stated that could be accomplished by cutting out a relief for the sign. Group discussion moved to the brass plaque and the information it would contain. Kluge stated he would like to get the text large enough so a senior citizen could read it' Booth noted that the information could correspond with information provided in a walking tour pamphlet. Booth commented she liked Kluge's idea (from his sketch) using a 12 by 24 inch sign which would be the same amount of material. Gray stated that if the Board liked that idea, a motion should be made to that effect. Booth asked what material and Gray responded cedar. Kluge stated they could use cedar or alder. Booth asked how thick. Kluge stated he would like to see the border routed. Kluge stated it would be two inches thick. Gray asked what the dimensions of the insert would be? Kluge stated he would suggest 6 by 10 inches, but could be larger. Kluge stated that the plaques are not that expensive. Gray noted they were $10 each for 4 by 5 inches. Kluge stated he would talk to Ron Malston and thought that the Lions Club may donate them. Kluge stated he needed to get this information to the Rotary adding that they meet tomorrow. Kebschull clarified that the TSH Board needed to approve the sign size, etc. Kluge stated he felt Rotary should also approve the idea. Gray asked if the sign was mounted if it would be recessed? Kluge stated it would be on a let in on a 4 by 4 post. La Shot suggested using standard eight foot posts. Kluge clarified that they would be using an auger to drill the holes and back fill with sand. La Shot stated that was the plan. Wik asked how deep the holes would be. Kluge stated he felt the top of the post should be at 36 inches. Kluge stated that the suggestion for non-heated footing is six feet. Kluge asked Gray how deep she put the church posts and Gray stated the top of the sign was at 36 inches. Gray clarified they were five feet deep. Huhndorf asked if the church had Rotary and City of Kenai emblems on it and was advised no. Huhndorf asked if the Rotary emblem was a part of the original grant. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 8 Group discussion during which Huhndorf was advised they were aware of the Rotary emblem being a part of the sign. Wik stated she thought letters would need to be resent to property owners and asked if that would be a good time to send a copy of information from the grant. Kebschull asked why letters would need to be resent. Wik noted the letter had stated the sign would be cedar, four feet by six inches. Kebschull explained she had changed the wording to read approximately four feet by six inches. Godek suggested a motion to accept the size of the sign. Kebschull suggested that Kluge's idea be accepted in concept and then Kluge could provide a drawing to specification. Kluge noted he will be out of town until January 6th and unavailable. Kebschull noted if Kluge could not provide the drawings, that the Board would need to be specific in their motion. Kebschull noted that some of the names of the buildings may not fit on one line on the sign. Kluge asked if the Board was tied to 30 signs and was informed the grant states approximately 30 signs. Kebschull advised that the Board had selected 26 properties and 1 8 property owners were contacted. Kluge noted that each sign would need to be laid out with relative information for that sign. Gray suggested a motion to accept the dimensions of the sign. BOOTH MOVED TO ACCEPT THE SIGN DESIGN AND MOUNT AS FOLLOWS' THE SIGNS WILL BE 12 BY 24 INCH CEDAR 2 INCHES THICK. THERE WILL BE AN INSET BRASS PLATE OF APPROXIMATELY 6 BY 10 INCHES. SIGNS WILL HAVE THE CITY OF KENAI AND ROTARY EMBLEMS. THEY WILL BE MOUNTED ON 4 BY 4 BY 8 FOOT POSTS WITH A LET IN OR RECESSED AREA FOR THE SIGN TO BE MOUNTED ON. THEY WILL BE MOUNTED WITH LAG BOLTS. THE BRASS PLATE WILL BE MOUNTED OVER LAG BOLT. MOTION SECONDED BY GODEK. Huhndorf expressed concern about the Rotary medallion on the signs admitting he had missed it when it was first discussed. Huhndorf added that he felt the changes they have made might be bringing commercialism into this. Huhndorf commented he could see putting Rotary's credit on the walking tour. Huhndorf advised he felt others had a greater part in the history of the area and if the Board were going to have those medallions but to have a momento of the tribe as well. Wik stated she felt credit should be given where credit was due. Wik noted the people who own the house's name will be on the sign. Wik added that placing medallions is more or less a standard procedure. Wik stated she wouldn't have any objection into the emblems and asked how the tribe entered into this. Huhndorf Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 9 explained that Old Town was a movement of people. One, intercontinental, the other that were indigenous. Huhndorf stated the people came from everywhere to assemble at Old Town ~and Shk'ituk't and Point Possession. Huhndorf stated he was just wanting if they were going to give indices of history that somehow that should have more prominence. Wik responded that this is the modern world and someone had to pay for the signs. Huhndorf stated that we got to the modern world by virtue of the past. Wik and Huhndorf debated the pros and cons of the emblems. Huhndorf asked Gray to verify the funding on the grant. Gray stated it was a. matching grant that the City of Kenai would be paying half and the Rotary will be donating the labor and the state will be paying for materials. VOTE: UNANIMOUS. Gray returned to the discussion regarding the Graphic Works quote noting both were above funds. Gray asked if there was time to get another quote. Kebschull referring to the scope of work advised that signs were to begin being fabricated on March l't. Gray suggested that if anyone had suggestions for businesses to obtain quotes that they should give that information to Kebschull. Kluge asked status of budget and if we had paid $500 for the art work. yes and Kebschull advised she had spent approximately $50 on postage. advised that is why she had put the $500 in miscellaneous expenses. Advised Kebschull Gray asked if anyone had talked to Mr. Sherman for recommendations on signs since he is a local expect. Kluge advised he could find the number for the business on the east coast and check out the fiberglass embedding rather than just lamination. Kluge noted that the size of the signs will make them expensive. Gray stated that the Gold Rush Task Force had signs made for the Forest Service. The signs were fiberglass embedded, 20 by 26 inches, for about $470. Gray noted that they had stated if they were used outside they may need to be replaced every five years because of fading. La Shot noted that if the artwork is scanned, it should be able to be scanned to any size. Booth commented that the 4 by 8 foot size had been based on the size of a sheet Of plywood. Huhndorf agreed. La Shot stated they may want to look at reducing the size of the sign. Gray asked if someone would like to make motion to look into other companies for bids on the sign. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 10 BOOTH MOVED TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL QUOTES FOR THE SHK'ITUK'T SIGN. MOTION SECONDED BY WIK. Godek stated she would like the group to look at perhaps a smaller size sign. Godek asked if it would require a motion. La Shot commented that that size sign would require a lot to mount it in addition to dealing with the wind on the bluff. Kluge noted that if the original was 34 by 8 foot that when reduced, you will have the same proportions. Kluge stated he wanted to bring attention that if the artwork is reduced to ~ foot it would only bo about 20 inches wide, if done proportionately. Gray suggested that they mention this when obtaining quotes and go to a more standard size that may not be as costly. Godek stated that was her intention. La Shot noted that the prints haven't been made yet so they could be made to any size. Kluge commented that this is going backwards, adding that the larger you print the artwork, the more poorly the graphics will be. Kluge noted he didn't know what size the original artwork was. Kluge asked if they could see the artwork and was advised it had been shown to the Board before they approved it. Kluge reiterated he would like to see the original and asked what the medium was. Gray asked for the vote to look into other quotes. VOTE' UNANIMOUS. Kebschull clarified how they plan to get the quotes. Gray stated that Booth will supply the name of place in Anchorage. Booth stated she will ask them to Kebschull. Gray asked Kebschull to call Sherman Signs. Kebschull suggested calling his office to look up who was used for Soldotna Creek Park. Group discussion about Bunny Swan's Artwork. and shared with Kluge. Break while work was retrieved Sign Text · Shk'ituk't Village Sign Huhndorf shared the Denaina text for the signs. "Yagheli Du" for "Welcome." "O'udi Jani" for "In this time, In this place." Gray explained that they wanted to add the Denaina to each panel to create parallel text in English and Denaina. Kluge, after reviewing the artwork, suggested that one of the panels be taken to a copy shop and blown up several times to see how the magnification looked. Kluge Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 11 stated then they would know how far they could take it noting that at some point they would start losing resolution. Gray asked if the Board had obtained the correct spelling of Shk'ituk't and was advised yes. Kebschull asked if she understood that they were questioning if the artwork could be blown up to the size that Bunny Swan had guaranteed it could be blown up to. Kluge stated he would question if you could blow the work up to eight feet. Gray asked that Kebschull ask the people with the new quotes if they feel the sketches could be blown up. Huhndorf stated he wanted to take the sign and size to the tribe for their feelings. Gray suggested that Booth take a Xerox copy of the work to Anchorage. Kebschull advised that the one quote she had received did not foresee a problem adding that they used a laser to scan the work into a computer and it is blown up from there. GODEK MOVED TO ACCEPT TEXT. UNANIMOUS. MOTION SECONDED BY HUHNDORF. · Townsite Historic District Signs Gray explained that when the agreements are returned for signage, they will need to be contacted before the next meeting. Gray suggested dividing up the property owners. Gray asked Kebschull if she was suggesting that a Board member summarize the possible text for the property owner over the phone. Kebschull suggested that before the property owners are contacted that they come up with a suggested wording for the signs. At that time it could be discussed with the property owner. Kebschull advised that it would be a courtesy for most of the properties; however, one property owner asked that they be allowed to approve the wording before the sign is placed. Kebschull advised that the date on the letter for returning the agreement was December 20th, Kebschull brought the group up to date on the process for contacting the property owners. Godek asked if someone should call and remind people to return the agreements. Kebschull advised that she would be waiting until after Christmas and with the slow mail it may take time to receive the replies. Kebschull advised the letters were sent certified and 12 of the green cards had been received back. Kebschull advised she would attempt to contact those people who didn't respond but noted phone numbers are not a part of the property ownership information with the borough. Gray asked how many letters will fit on the plaque. Kluge suggested being brief noting they budgeted 200 letters per sign. Kebschull noted she had told those property owners who had asked that the signs would contain basic information, i.e., name, date of building, etc. Kluge asked if anything had been decided about sign location and suggested placing in the city right of way. Kluge advised that would be best from an installation view Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 12 point. La Shot advised they are narrow streets and no sidewalks in some areas. Kluge stated he would prefer they be placed in the right of way so they are not on private property when placing the signs. La Shot stated he agreed that they should be placed close to where people walk. Booth stated that Becky Tromblee had stated she will be putting up a privacy fence. Kebschull noted that property owners had been given the option of where to place the signs. b. Shk'ituk't Village Site--Update Huhndorf advised he had contacted Alan Boraas and it is possible he could do an archeological excavation this summer at a cost of $4000 to $5000. Huhndorf advised he had spoken to the tribe and will be submitting a bid for funding in January if that is what the board wishes. Huhndorf advised that KNA meets the day after tomorrow. Sasha Lindgren suggested contacting the CIRI foundation for funding and speaking to Lydia Hayes. Huhndorf advised he has yet to contact Jim Segura at Salamatoff. Huhndorf noted they were within reasonable favor the last time he spoke with this about funding. Huhndorf stated he felt it was just a matter of coordinating all of the groups and perhaps contacting the City of Kenai again. La Shot advised he had met with the City Manager regarding the site. La Shot advised it appears that FAA will be moving this year and along with that they will have to do some environmental work. La Shot stated the city will recommend that nothing be done until the FAA is out of there and have taken care of their responsibilities. La Shot added that being FAA is federal that anything environmental they do will probably have to be accompanied by an archeological study. La Shot noted that some work may be accomplished with their work and at that time it may be a good time to consider any additional work the Board might want to have done. La Shot added he doesn't know how much they will do that will help the mission site. Gray asked if federal law requires archeological work. Huhndorf stated that Boraas had stated the problem questions would be where is the site located, what's located, and what was there. Huhndorf stated it would be one-half ethno historic and one half archeology design. Huhndorf noted Boraas stated it would involved two weeks on site, two weeks in libraries, probably five weeks total. Gray asked if La Shot had dates. La Shot stated he could keep them advised adding that it is his understanding that they have the funding appropriated. La Shot stated' it is his understanding that they will start this summer and be out of there in a year or year and a half. La Shot noted that doesn't mean all of the environmental work will be done. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 13 c. Preservation Plan Huhndorf shared a handout on the preservation plan. Huhndorf noted that he first had to establish that we are a certified local government. Huhndorf noted the information is incomplete and most of information out of manuals. Huhndorf explained how the property owner has to be involved in process adding that they may choose not to be involved. Huhndorf noted the owner does have tax options if he embraces the historic concept of his building or property. Huhndorf noted that the property owner can do as he wishes with the property even though historic property. Huhndorf continued explaining the handout explaining criteria, etc. Huhndorf advised he stopped on filling out the registration form which is submitted to SHIPO adding he will continue on with it. Huhndorf explained there are 1 6 questions that have to deal with evaluating a property. Huhndorf reiterated that a lot of this is verbatim out of texts. Gray suggested that they take a look at this and then come back and comment on it. Gray noted they had in the past talked about nominating the Shk'ituk't site. 8. REPORTS: 9. INFORMATION: a. City Council Agenda--November 13, 1996 b. Memo regarding Mission Street Improvements dated November 27, 1996 c. Letter from OHA regarding Survey Project d. "Preservation Advocate News" Newsletter (October 1996) e. "The Alliance Review" f. National Trust for Historic Preservation Memo dated 12/1/96 10. BOARD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS: Huhndorf asked if anything had been heard about the final preservation plan for the state. Gray stated she had not heard anything. Gray advised she will be taking the Mission Street plat to Anchorage for signatures. Gray advised that the city of Kenai tried to get the bucket truck to the chapel to place the new cross but were unable to get high enough. Gray noted that the city had contacted HEA and they will take care of it. Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 14 1 1. ADJOURNMENT' Meeting adjourned at approximately 7'15 p.m. Res~ .i~'~ctCy , submitted' ~n Kebschull Adm nistrative Assistant Townsite Historic District Board December 16, 1996 Page 15