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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-01-10 P&Z Minutes,~ 1 KE NA = P LANN = NG ~ Z ON = NG COMM = S S = O N January 10, 1990 - 7:00 P.M. City Hall Council Chambers Phil Bryson, Vice Chairman AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL a. Election of Chair b. Election of Vice Chair 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 3. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD 4. PUBLIC HEARINGS a. Encroachment Permit Application: Lot 2, Block 2, Sungate Park S/D - Garage Within Rear Yard Setback - HUD 5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES of December 13, 1989 6. OLD BUSINESS 7. NEW BUSINESS a. Lease Amendment: Lots 10 & 11, Aleyeska S/D - for Restaurant & Lounge b. Request for Direction: Proposed Bed & Breakfast in 4-flex Unit - Mr. & Mrs. Helm c. Corps Permit Application: Kenai River 247 - 21 Mooring Buoys in Kenai River Mouth - Wards Cove Packing 8. PLANNING a. Set Next Work Session on Comprehensive Plan b. DCRA - Commission Training Application 9. REPORTS a. City Council b. Borough Planning c. City Administration 1 ~C { 10. PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEUDLED TO BE HEARD 11. INFORMATION ITEMS a. City Council Agenda - December 20, 1989 & January 3, 1990 b. Borough Planning Agenda - December 18, 1989 & January 8, 1990 c. The Urban Institute 12. COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS 13. ADJOURNMENT 2 KE NA = PLANN = NG Fx Z O N = NG COMM = S S = ON January 10, 1990 - 7:00 P.M. City Hall Council Chambers Phil Bryson, Vice Chairman 1. ROLL CALL Present: Bryson, Bannock, Brown, Graveley, McComsey Absent: Gilman, Glick a. Election of Chair MOTION: Commissioner McComsey nominated Phil Bryson for Chair, seconded by Commissioner Brown VOTE: Nominations were closed and the motion passed. unanimously b. Election of Vice Chair MOTION: Commissioner Graveley nominated Commissioner McComsey for Vice Chair, seconded by Commissioner Brown VOTE: Nominations were closed and the motion passed unanimously 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Chairman Bryson asked that Resolution PZ90-O1 be placed on the agenda as item 7-d. MOTION: Commissioner McComsey moved to approved the amended agenda, seconded by Commissioner Brown VOTE: Motion passed by Unanimous Consent 3• PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD None KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 2 4. PUBLIC HEARINGS a. Encroachment Permit Application: Lot 2, Block 2, Sungate Park S/D - Garage Within Rear Yard Setback - HUD A memo from the Building Official was presented prior to the meeting. Basically, the memo pointed out that the prior concerns of the Commission were groundless, that the building does not exceed 1/3 of the rear yard, that, regardless of the size, it is still an accessory building. Planning Specialist Loper explained the Council decision and partial Council minutes of the last meeting were available. It was pointed out that with the vacation not approved, the encroachment permit would be invalid as this type of permit cannot be issued for anything in an easement. MOTION: Commissioner McComsey moved for approval of the encroachment permit for Lot 2, Block 2, Sungate S/D, seconded by commissioner Graveley Chairman Bryson called for public comments. Al Poore: We do object to the encroachment because the area is sandy and it blocks off a lot of our property. The lot the garage encroaches on is our property. We live on a homestead and this is for Homer Electric to serve the homestead and any other utilities. For that reason I think you should turn down this request and the building should be removed. Commissioner Bannock asked for the location of Mr. Poore's property. It was explained by map. Chairman Bryson asked if the building encroached on his property. Mr. Poore: No, it's into the utility easement and Homer Electric runs lines down there. If I develop my land, the digging will have to come out of my land. There has to be 20' and it will have to come out of mine. They should move back onto their own lot. Commissioner McComsey: I understand that they're asking for five feet, but I understand that this feet sits six feet over onto this easement. Mr. Poore answered that it was at least four feet over. Chairman Bryson stated that it sits 6.2' from the property line so if five feet were vacated it would not be in the vacated portion. There being no further public comments, Chairman Bryson brought the issue back to the Commission. Commissioner Graveley stated that he had gone out and walked the property and felt that, in his opinion there was no major problem. Should anything be built on the back side of the building is still going to be built far enough back that there should be no problem. You could still get a ditch- witch or a piece of machinery down there. Commissioner Bannock asked for clarification of the issue. It was again pointed out that, according to the Building Official's memo, an accessory building can lie within the rear yard setback. KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 3 Commissioner McComsey: Our problem with this is why do they make easements if they let people build into them. The building doesn't even have a building permit. Planning Specialist Loper: Part of it doesn't have a building permit, the shop portion. Chairman Bryson: The 18' portion is the garage and the 28' portion is the addition. So the original garage construction would have been encroaching also. In the past there has been a lot less concern on a great many easement. Primarily it started coming up when the title companies started viewing it as a cloud on the title. I don't believe they always did, but at any rate, in this case, they petitioned to have the vacation. Commissioner Brown: You say the Council did not approve the vacation. And yet this is an accessory building, then its not an encroachment? Planning Specialist Loper: The question arose at the Planning Commission level as to whether or not it was an accessory structure because of its size. Just viewing the as-built it was noted that it-was larger than the house. So the Commission had enough questions about the whole issue that you decided to deny the vacation and ask for an encroachment permit. That was the purpose of the Building Official's memo, to answer those question, and it returned to you as an encroachment permit by your request. In the meantime, the Council reiterated their stand that they will not issue a vacation, especially when there are violations on the garage. ~ 'Commissioner Brown: Does that satisfy HUD then, if we were to send them a letter to say that they are not even encroaching because it is an accessory building. Planning Specialist Loper: But it still is within the easement. The two are not the same, and this permit will not help the easement problem.. Commissioner McComsey: What happens if someone on lot four comes over and builds on his easement the same way and now we only have six feet or ten feet. Then we'd have to give them a vacation or permit too. I think its wrong is what I'm trying to say and I don't think it should be granted. I know its a mistake, but the original mistake should not have been made, they should have gotten a surveyor out there and done it right. If one does, would we allow another to do it and what about lot one and three. If we give this fellow .five feet are we going to give those two lots five feet also. Planning Specialist Loper pointed out that the Council felt similarly about it. Chairman Bryson: I think its very common that the Borough has allowed this, if they have an encroachment situation then .., similar to this then they've allowed reduction in the easement size or a portion being taken out just to address the problem area. They weren't taking the hard view as the Council is. Commissioner McComsey: I understand, and I know that they've said that the water & sewer, if it ever did go, would probably go down Eagle Rock Drive, but with a sandy soil, 20' would be hard to put water down there and less than that would be impossible. Those kind of things have to be taken into consideration if water ever did go down through there. KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 4 Chairman Bryson: As Commissioner Graveley mentioned, these easements are utilized for shallow utilities that probably wouldn't be a problem to work with whatever they had left. Commissioner Graveley: I agree with what you're saying Art, but I think that this isn't the only one we have like this and it isn't the only one that's going to come up. What we really need to address this problem. This is one problem in itself we've got to address, but the real problem is we've got to figure out an answer or address a problem in the future to keep this from happening. Commissioner McComsey: Yes, there should be an as-built survey before they ever start building. Chairman Bryson: I think, we have both the people that are presumably trying to buy the property plus the title holders and in both cases they're the ones that bear the brunt of a situation like this. Previously we had proposed a requirement for surveying and it didn't gather sufficient support. Commissioner McComsey: Its just another rule but still and all it would stop this and these wouldn't be coming because I know that several of these have come in the last few years and now that people are moving and ..... Building Official Hackney disagreed. He stated that to his knowledge there had been none. They were all encroachments into setbacks. Commissioner McComsey: It seems to be fairly common, the building into setbacks. Now that the banks are selling the houses, and people are letting them go back we'll probably see more. Chairman Bryson: We've had one or two encroachments into road easements, one comes,to mind over on Fifth Street. Commissioner Graveley: I believe there's another one on Aliak or Kiana. Planning Specialist Loper: The first encroachment permit we did was for one over on Haller, it was also into a setback. Commissioner McComsey: Actually, its a moot point until Council makes another decision isn't that correct? Chairman Bryson: I think we should address this petition under any circumstance. Support it or defeat it. Commissioner Brown: It wouldn't do any good to support it. In a way I can understand that if there's enough room in there and if they don't need the full easement, I guess I just don't understand why the Council rejected cutting it down to the five feet. Commissioner Graveley: I feel the Council's rejection of it is, in my own opinion, is that they don't want to set a precedence. Now maybe I took that wrong, but.... Councilman Smalley: One of the things that was mentioned at a Council meeting, when it first came to us I know the minutes called for a five foot setback but the ordinance came to us stating ten feet. Planning Specialist Loper: It was a letter rather than an ordinance. Councilman Smalley: Council talked a little bit in terms of the five, but there were so many KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 5 things that were wrong in this particular situation, that they didn't want to set a precedence and so they rejected it. Chairman Bryson: I believe the Borough were the people that came up with the five feet after discussion. At the Borough level it was approved to vacate the five feet closer to the garage. Councilman Smalley: In discussion with public works they indicated that ten feet was not adequate for water and or sewer, even though when is water & sewer ever going to go in there. There was discussion about just vacating it for that particular lot. And then of course, the Council said that if all property owners affected by the vacation were contacted, there were about 21 or 22, and all utility companies agree to vacate it then Council would probably accept it. At this point in time its not up to the Council to go out and get these, its up to the people affected by it. Chairman Bryson: When the discussion on this first came through, the public works comments on water & sewer addressed a lot that fronted on Fireweed and that was for a well encroachment. I didn't remember that a water & sewer location was an issue. Planning Specialist Loper: I think it came up in discussions with Mr. Poore because he would need that easement to get water & sewer to his rear lot wasn't that right? Councilman Smalley agreed. ~ Commissioner Brown: So how do you suggest that it get unhung from this bureaucracy. It seems like its hung up, you can't vacate the easement and you can't issue an encroachment permit, then where do the people go. Councilman Smalley: Its up the owner of the home, a representative from HUD spoke at the meeting and they were hoping that Council would give them some suggestions and the City Attorney spoke. It really isn't up to the Council to give them suggestions. One of the things that came up was what about taking off the last ten feet, and the Council was not giving them suggestions for what they could do, its up to the owners. The attorneys comments were pointed out on page 10 of the Council minutes. Commissioner McComsey asked if there were any utilities in the easement now. Commissioner Graveley answered that it was phone and electric. Mr. Poore stated that it was Homer Electric, phone and cable. All would need to move beyond that lot for his property. Commissioner Brown: Did you say that Council objected to also vacating just a portion of that easement? Answer yes. Commissioner Graveley: Exactly who wants us to do what. Chairman Bryson: we've been asked to obtain an encroachment permit. What that would allow him to do, if this had not been determined to be an accessory use, would be that he would be acknowledged as not being in violation of the rear and side setback. It wouldn't address the easement. Since that time, it was determined to be an accessory use. Planning Specialist Loper: But it was at the Commission direction that it come back as an encroachment permit. ~ Commissioner Brown: So there's a family that's living in the house that wants to buy it and HUD can't sell it because there's a cloud on the title. The only thing that will help them is to either vacate the utility or move KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 6 the building. Can we move to vacate five feet of the utility? Planning Specialist Loper: No. Commissioner Brown: Why not? Planning Specialist Loper: In the case of vacations of anything we are advisory to Council and Council, by Borough statute has the final say on whether or not to vacate and Council has issued it's decision. It has already been through the Commission level. Commissioner Brown: We can advise them that we looked at it and it's our opinion that they should vacate half of the easement. They don't have to go along with us. But for us to sit on our hands ... Planning Specialist Loper: The problem is that it wasn't approved the first time it came to through the Commission. MOTION: Commissioner Brown moved to amend the original motion to read that we vacate that portion of the utility easement ... Planning Specialist Loper: Point of order, you ... Chairman Bryson: I was going to ... you need to address the petition and you cannot make a major deviation from the original motion. MOTION WITHDRAWN VOTE: Motion Fails Chairman Bryson - no Commissioner Brown - no Commissioner Bannock - no Commissioner Graveley - no Commissioner McComsey - no MOTION: Commissioner Brown moved to recommend to the City Council that they approve vacating that portion of the utility easement that this building encroaches upon, for Lot 2, Block 2, Sungate S/D, seconded by Commissioner Graveley Chairman Bryson: Then it is your intent to request a reconsideration of their action or petition for ... Commissioner Brown: No, they don't even need to reconsider it if they don't want to, all I'm doing is saying that we should send it back to the Council saying that we, as a Planning & Zoning Commission feel that they should vacate it. Commissioner Bannock, stated that, judging from the minutes we just read, I don't see any clues that leads us to believe that Council will change their mind about it and referred to statements by Councilman Measles on page 6. Commissioner Brown: If you're only faced with either moving the building or vacating the easement, I can't see where it's reasonable to make the people move the building when there's no need for that wide of an easement. They need to be reasonable in this situation. I'll vote yes for it, whether they want to accept it or not is up to them. Commissioner Graveley: The horse is already let out of the barn on several of these and I feel down the road or in the future we've got to make some revisions or changes to the codes to correct the problem for the future. KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 7 VOTE: Commissioner McComsey: I agree with that also, and I'm sympathetic to the people with the property but it still looks like when they built that they should have known where they were building. I just cannot believe that people just go in and throw something up. I can't go along with vacating it. Councilman Smalley: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the garage was built and then an addition put on to it, so there's permit problems there, there's more than what meets the eye. I'm sympathetic to the buyers too, but hopefully they have legal counsel. Commissioner McComsey: I would think the people that are in the house are not going to have to do this, it's HUD that's going to have to do it. I understand it's their money but it's going to have be theirs to change this. They might be able to come back on the original owners. Motion Passes Commissioner Brown - yes Commissioner Bannock - no Commissioner Graveley - yes Commissioner McComsey - no Chairman Bryson - yes 5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES of December 13, 1989 Minutes were approved as submitted 6. OLD BUSINESS None 7. NEW BUSINESS a. Lease Amendment: Lots 10 & 11, Aleyeska S/D - for Restaurant & Lounge Administrative Assistant Howard came forward and explained that there is a letter from TransAlaska Title on behalf of Jose Ramos the lessee. I have since received a letter asking that this letter be amended to include a lounge. MOTION: Commissioner McComsey moved to recommend approval of the lease amendment, seconded by Commissioner Bannock VOTE: Motion passed unanimously by roll call vote b. Request for Direction: Proposed Bed & Breakfast in 4-flex Unit - 2820 Watergate Way Mr. & Mrs. Helm Planning Specialist Loper explained that this was before the Commission because the original intent appears to be for a single family residence KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 8 only. It is not a formal application at this point. The Building Official has stated that as far as the building permit is concerned, it would make no difference unless it was changed structurally. Mr. Helm described his 4-plex and its location stating that it is one of the nicest buildings in the area. It was uncertain at this time whether he would rent out just one of the units or more as a bed and breakfast. Commissioner Bannock asked if he were the owner, answer yes. Commissioner Graveley asked if he had other renters in the building, answer yes. Chairman Bryson asked if Mr. Helm lived in one of the units, answer yes. Commissioner McComsey asked if the permit would be for just one unit, answer, that is all that is planned for this year. Commissioner Bannock: I read a story in the Anchorage paper about a situation just like this, they had taken a group of condominiums and turned them into a bed & breakfast and they thought it was kind of a fiasco. However, my question would be, what would be your primary idea to deal with this unit, to make it into a regular rental or going full time bed & breakfast. What would be more profitable. Mr. Helm: Oh, the bed & breakfast. We aren't planning on doing that but three months out of the year. Commissioner Bannock: But theoretically, this 4-plex, if you had three different people that were there the full 12 months, then, well are you going to save one of these units for a bed & breakfast or would you rather just rent it all out. Would this just be a filling in type thing between leases? Mr. Helm: I would, if I sign a lease for a renter I would just sign it for a specific date to another specific date like I've already done with the people in that unit now. Commissioner Bannock: Okay, so you're going to reserve a block of time that it could be rented out for a bed & breakfast. Mr. Helm: There are 4-plexes in that area that are operating similarly to that but they're not providing a breakfast in the morning. Needless to say it would be hard for them because they have to go outside into the next unit but we're not set up that way. If it runs well we were thinking about running a stairway from our unit down to the next one. In other words we'd turn the two units into one unit. Commissioner McComsey: Did you say this apartment building had three bedrooms? Answer yes. Commissioner McComsey: If you rented that out to three separate people and they all had cars would there be plenty of parking? Answer yes. Planning Specialist Loper: Abed & breakfast permit says that you are allowed up to 30% of your total floor area involved in your business. So if you have one unit for your business it would probably work. Mr. Helm: If I'm already renting it out I don't see where that would be a problem. I could rent it by the day if I want, I guess the main reason we even brought this before the board is simply because if there's a tax we need to pay we need to know. Planning Specialist Loper: The thing you need to be aware of, is if you rent it on a day to day basis you become a hotel and then it wouldn't be allowed. Mr. Helm: How about if I rent it for two days. How about for a week. • KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION ' January 10, 1990 Page 9 Planning Specialist Loper: The whole intent of all these ordinances which regulate businesses, is because of the impact you will make on the residents around you. You are in a fairly high price tag area which didn't even want duplexes at the beginning. Chairman Bryson: I think what we need to address is at what point does it becomes a hotel. Planning Specialist Loper: Exactly, which is why I brought it to you. The way the ordinance is laid out it speaks mainly to a single dwelling with rooms that would not appear to be separated. Mr. Helm: You do get into a gray area here because I work with a lot of oil companies and I know a lot of those companies rent units that they just hold for people to come and go on a month to month basis. Commissioner Graveley read the definition for hotel for Mr. Helm. Then the definition of bed & breakfast. Mr. Helm: I just want to be sure everybody knows what's going on. Commissioner Bannock: If this were to come to me as a bed & breakfast I would have a problem with it probably based on the fact that what you're describing, unlike the units Mr. .Lowry built, I know this facility and I know that it's nice looking and it wouldn't be that hard to disguise it as a house. We're going to get into this of percentages, but what that's designed to do, to protect the integrity, however, if you look at this whole building, and they're only using one quarter of the whole building, so in this particular instance I wouldn't have a problem. _.~ Planning Specialist Loper: The question then is do you want them to come .back fora bed & breakfast. Commissioner Bannock: I think that would be in order. Even though you would do it only two months out of the year, then a conditional use permit would be in order. So when the neighbors, for instance, complain, then the City can explain and take action. Chairman .Bryson: Under the bed & breakfast there are specific conditions ... Commissioner Bannock: But it ties in with what we've done all along Angler Acres. Mr. Helm: Would that limit me to three people or what. Commissioner Bannock: We can limit it to whatever we agree to. Planning Specialist Loper: The other thing the permit does for you, is it goes to public hearing and you will find out whether or not any of them would object before you sink money into it. Discussion followed regarding time for hearing. Councilman Smalley: I was on this body when the bed & breakfast ordinance was developed and the intent of the ordinance was, again, single family dwellings. The concern that I'm having is the code says 30% of the building may be used. And, again it was in reference to single family dwellings. When you're talking about a 4-plex, is that a single building or four different units. Twenty-five percent of the building would be one apartment. All of that apartment would be 1000 not 30%. This Commission is going to have to go back in and modify that portion of the code if that's what they want. Planning Specialist Loper: Or make a determination that it is or is not appropriate. KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 10 Chairman Bryson: There may be some interpretation necessary as to what area is being used for the bed & breakfast anyway. If it's a single bedroom or whatever. Mr. Helm asked if he rented it out as a whole unit like an apartment would there be a problem with that. Chairman Bryson: I don't think the Commission would have a problem with that. Mr. Helm asked if he provided a breakfast to his apartment, would anything stop him from doing that. Commissioner Brown answered, DEC. Mr. Helm: And if I wanted to just call it a bed & breakfast would there be anything stopping me from doing that. Planning Specialist Loper: I think the problem would be when you put your sign out. If we got calls and you weren't permitted. Commissioner Bannock: Where did we get the idea of single family. Commissioner Graveley again read that portion of the code.. Commissioner Bannock: That doesn't say anything about a single family dwelling and specifically it does mention total floor area. We formed this thing in our minds that if it has four different addresses it doesn't meet the requirements. Secondly, as a conditional use permit, have we ever turned down an application for a bed & breakfast? Answer no. And as I understand it, the reason for a conditional use permit was to take a look at the facility, whether it be a guide service or whatever, we looked at the facility and then we made a decision on whether that would work or not and whether that would be a good thing or a bad thing for the community. Folks, I don't see anything that would lead us to believe it would be bad. Councilman Smalley: I'm not saying its a bad thing, I'm saying it was the intent of the Commission, when those ordinances were developed of looking at single family dwellings. If you look at every one that's been issued in the City they are all single family units. Commissioner Bannock: Didn't we do a bed & breakfast on Beaver Loop that had a mini lodge effect? Planning Specialist Loper: None were separate apartments and one had a room with a small kitchen. The 4-plex you're talking about was not for a bed & breakfast, it was for a booking service and the rest was an apartment. Planning Specialist Loper: Is there a reason why you want to call it a bed & breakfast? Mr. Helm answered that we were thinking of calling it an inn but it really isn't that either. Planning Specialist Loper: You're public is going to have a certain expectation when they walk in when you call it something specific. The Commission discussed the term lodge and while it isn't specifically stated in the code, the Building Official stated that it falls under the hotel/motel definition and is not allowed. Mr. Helm asked about a sign, he was advised to present the plans for the sign along with the business and they would also be reviewed by the Building Official. Chairman Bryson stated that, personally, he would defer to a public hearing. c. Corps Permit Application: Kenai River 247 - 21 Mooring Buoys in Kenai River Mouth - Wards Cove Packing Planning Specialist Loper explained that the Harbor Commission was unable to review this due to volcanic activity, however, they will meet again on KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION .~ January 10, 1990 Page 11 ~~ the following Monday. It was first thought that there were 21 new buoys, however, the Commission determined that most of them are existing and had not been permitted and there are really only three new ones on one side of the sand bar. Commissioner Graveley asked when the study would be completed regarding the actual location of existing buoys. It was unknown. MOTION: Commissioner Bannock moved to recommend approval of the buoys, seconded by Commissioner McComsey VOTE: Motion passed unanimously by roll call vote d. Preliminary Plat PZ90-O1: Basin View S/D Part 4 Planning Specialist Loper explained that this was brought in due to the fact that the Borough will be seeing this prior to the next meeting. I asked Mr. McLane if the lot line move had anything to do with a possible encroachment and he answered that he didn't think so. This is different from regular plats in that, according to the letter, a portion of the lot was sold according to a metes and bounds deed and was illegal. MOTION.: Commissioner McComsey moved for approval of PZ90-01, seconded by Commissioner Graveley VOTE: Motion passed unanimously by roll call vote $. PLANNING a. Set Next Work Session on Comprehensive Plan The Commission set Thursday, February 15 for the next joint work session. b. DCRA - Commission Training A lication A short summary sheet and application was presented to the Commission. The Commission felt the information stated that the training group would come to the City chosen and that they would like the application submitted. Only one of the Commissioners had expertise in the matters pertaining to planning and zoning. Councilman Smalley stated that if it should turn out that the classes are held elsewhere, if the Commission were interested, then they should ask Council to appropriate the money to send at least one or two persons. 9. REPORTS a. City Council Councilman Smalley reported on two meetings held in December. KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION January 10, 1990 Page 12 a. The City of Kenai is going to participate in the Municipal Interim Management Services program where personnel can be shared within governmental agencies. The program is through the AML. b. There will be a hearing on the Beaver Loop boat ramp project and the commission was encouraged to attend. The price of the property was discussed by the Commission and Councilman Smalley. c. There will be a public hearing on the proposed ambulance fees and the Commission was encouraged to attend. b. Borough Planning Chairman Bryson reported on the item concerning the City of Kenai. c. City Administration None 10. PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD None 11. INFORMATION ITEMS a. City Council Agenda - December 20, 1989 & January 3, 1990 b. Borough Planning Agenda - December 18, 1989 & January 8, 1990 c. The Urban Institute No questions or comments 12. COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS Councilman Smalley asked if the Commission had set up a work session the signs in the new zone. Planning Specialist Loper answered that the Commission had discussed the issue and felt that signs could be reviewed on a case by case basis and handled similarly to the present procedure for conditional use permits, leases, and similar projects. Commissioner McComsey asked if the Commission could begin working on something to prevent encroachments in the future. The Commission asked Administration to research the old files and s~~mmarize some of the proposals when the Commission dealt with this issue a few years ago. 13. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. Janet A. Loper, Planning Specialist Secretary to the Commission (Transcribed from Tapes)