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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-05-14 P&Z MinutesCITY OF KENAI PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION **AGENDA** ,r KENAI CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS May 14, 1997 http://www. Kenai.net/city 6:00 p.m. WORK SESSION: 1. Review of the Land Use Table a. Work Session Minutes of April 23, 1997 b. Land Use Table Draft (with changes from 4/23/97 meeting) 7:00 p.m. REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING: 1. ROLL CALL: 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: April 23, 1997 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: 5. CONSIDERATION OF PLATS: a. PZ97-22-Buffalo Run Subdivision--Revised 6. PUBLIC HEARINGS: a. PZ97-12-A resolution recommending the Kenai City council amend Kenai Municipal Code 3.15 to prohibit the issuance of additional kennel facility permits in certain zones within the city limits. b. PZ97-13-Conditional Use Permit-Retail Flower & Vegetable Sales for Abby Ala (39076 Strawberry Road, Kenai, Alaska). c. PZ97-14-A resolution recommending the Kenai City Council amend Kenai Municipal Code 14.20.320(b)36 to change the definition of "guest room" to allow for one or more persons. d. PZ97-15-A resolution recommending the Kenai City council amend Kenai Municipal Code 14.20.320(b) to include the definition of "cabin rentals." e. PZ97-17-Conditional Use Permit-KMC 14.20.190 Principle Structure by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). f. PZ97-18-Encroachment Permit for side yard setbacks by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). g. PZ97-19-Conditional Use Permit-Nightly Cabin Rentals and Guide Service by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). ~ 7. NEW BUSINESS: a. Review of Development in the Townsite Historic District Zone-Restoration of the parish rectory at the Russian Orthodox Church site. Agenda May 14.doc Planning & Zoning Commission Agenda Page 2 May 14, 1997 ~~ b. PZ97-16-Home Occupation Permit-Guiding Business-Alva G. Schadle (701 Cypress Drive, Kenai, Alaska). c. Kenai River Comprehensive Management Plan Draft d. PZ97-21 -Landscape Site Plan-Salamatof Native Association-140 & 150 Willow Street North (Lots 6A & 6B, Block 1, CIIAP Subdivision) 8. OLD BUSINESS: 9. CODE ENFORCEMENT ITEMS: 10. REPORTS: a. City Council b. Borough Planning c. Administration 11. PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEDULED: 12. INFORMATION ITEMS: a. Private/Native Vacant Parcel Information b. Anglers Acres Conditional Use Permit History c. PZ96-35-Letter Requesting CUP Review Information 13. COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS: 14. ADJOURNMENT: CITY OF KENAI PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ~'~~~ * *MINUTES* KENAI CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS May 14, 1997 WORK SESSION: 1. Review of the Land Use Table a. Work Session Minutes of April 23, 1997 b. Land Use Table Draft (with changes from 4/23/97 meeting) Individuals in attendance included: Commissioners Glick, Christian, Werner-Quade, Goecke, Mahurin, City Attorney Graves, City Engineer La Shot, and Administrative Assistant Marilyn Kebschull Glick noted they need to start at urban residential zone industrial section. Christian asked about the items in commercial section noting they needed to break a tie. Glick advised it was agreed to have seven members present before discussing it again. URBAN RESIDENTIAL: Industrial: Goecke and Christian stated no problems with suggestions. Werner-Quade noted she had a N for airport use. Glick asked Graves to refresh the Commission on why the administration recommended CUP on Airports. Graves and La Shot couldn't remember. Glick verified draft okay. No changes. Public Institutional: No changes. Miscellaneous: Christian stated he had an N for cabin rentals and cemeteries. Werner-Quade agreed. Goecke agreed with the draft. Christian questioned surface extraction of natural resources adding it is doubtful it would happen. Glick noted it could but added there are strict requirements now. Goecke asked what if the city wants to do something? Glick agreed to an N for cabin rentals and cemeteries but would leave surface extraction. Change cabin rentals and cemetery to N. CC-CENTRAL COMMERCIAL: Minutes May 14.doc Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Residential: Page 2 May 14, 1997 Goecke noted his agreement with the draft for first part. Others agreed with the draft. No changes. Commercial: Goecke suggested no changes adding it is a commercial zone. Christian agreed. No changes. Industrial: Goecke no changes. Christian questioned CUP for manufacturing and assembly. La Shot stated that central commercial is geared toward smaller retail. Graves commented that light manufacturing would be appropriate such as cabinet building. Graves noted the C allows the Commission to decide if appropriate. No changes. ~ Public/Institutional: No changes. Miscellaneous: No changes. GENERAL COMMERCIAL: Residential: No changes. Commercial: No changes. Industrial: No changes. 1 Public/Institutional: No changes. Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Miscellaneous: No changes. IL-LIGHT INDUSTRIAL: Residential: Page 3 May 14, 1997 Goecke asked if it would be feasible to do both industrial zones concurrently. Agreed to look at both Industrial zones together. IL-LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND IH-HEAVY INDUSTRIAL: Christian questioned dwellings in these zones. Christian asked if it would be appropriate to put N's as not appropriate for zone. Mahurin asked about a combined shop with an apartment. Goecke noted they are under a CUP commenting it is doubtful anyone would want to build in the zone and if they did doubtful anyone would want to rent. Mahurin agreed with Goecke noting as a CUP it would have to come before the Commission. Christian noted he is looking at what happens on appeal when it passes at the council level. Kebschull commented on canneries having boarding houses in the industrial zone. Christian stated that he could agree with a C. TWQ noted she had had N's but could go with CUP. No changes in residential in IL and IH. Commercial-IL and IH: Goecke noted he would have put P's where the C's are but could go with the draft. No changes. Industrial-IL and IH: No changes. Public/Institutional-IL and IH: Christian stated he thought it odd that they allow elementary schools in these zones adding he would think it should be an N. Mahurin agreed adding that she cannot see the borough buying land in an industrial area. Mahurin noted the intent of plan and that ~ in the future there could be an extenuating circumstance. Goecke noted they need to consider private schools. Christian commented it doesn't seem a safe place. for a school. Mahurin agreed. Goecke asked about a major manufacturing group that wants to provide a daycare facility for their workers. Goecke noted it is now an elementary Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Change auto repair to N and leave rest as draft. Public/Institutional Page 5 May 14, 1997 Christian recommended no changes to draft. Werner-Quade noted she had a P for library and museum but would agree with C. No changes. Miscellaneous: Mahurin requested clarification of essential services. La Shot stated that it is mainly for utilities in right of way, lift stations, etc. Mahurin asked if they had to leave it in. La Shot noted it would be a good idea adding they are usually government or utility companies. Mahurin questioned secondary use for cell station, radio etc. La Shot noted he had no problem with a C. Graves noted it is an S now so administration had just left it. La Shot noted it might be a good idea to review them. Change radio/TV Transmitters/Cell sites to C. TOWNSITE HISTORIC DISTRICT: Residential: No changes. Commercial: No changes. Industrial: Mahurin stated she thought manufacturing, assembly, should be N adding she felt it not appropriate for the zone. Christian and Werner-Quade agreed. Goecke noted they are back to the argument about a craft place which could be construed as assembly. Goecke reiterated he would prefer a C. Mahurin noted it is a small area and a warehouse would just be a paved area. Glick asked for vote on manufacturing. Christian, Werner-Quade and Mahurin voted N. Goecke and Glick voted C. Graves noted administration did consider small, craft orientated assembly as manufacture. La Shot noted no problem with warehouse. Agreed to change warehouses to N and leave assembly as is. Public/Institutional Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes No changes. Miscellaneous: No changes. ADJOURNMENT: Work session closed at 7 p.m. Respectfully submitted: ~% M ri n Kebschull Administrative Assistant Page 6 May 14, 1997 Planning & Zoning Commission Page 7 Minutes May 14, 1997 REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING: Chairman Glick called the meeting to order at approximately 7 p.m. 1. ROLL CALL: Members present: Carl Glick, Phil Bryson, Teresa Werner-Quade, Ron Goecke, Karen Mahurin, Michael Christian Members absent: Barb Nord Others present: Councilman Hal Smalley, City Engineer Jack La Shot, Administrative Assistant Marilyn Kebschull, Building Official Robert Springer 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: GOECKE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF AGENDA AS PRESENTED. MAHURIN SECOND THE MOTION. GOECKE NOTED THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ITEM HANDED OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. GOECKE ASKED FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. NO OBJECTION TO UNANIMOUS CONSENT. AGENDA APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: April 23, 1997 GOECKE MOVED TO APPROVE MINUTES OF APRIL 23, 1997 AND ASKED FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. CHRISTIAN SECONDED THE MOTION. GLICK ASKED FOR CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS. NONE NOTED. NO OBJECTION TO UNANIMOUS CONSENT. MINUTES APPROVED. 4. PERSONS PRESENT SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD: None. 5. CONSIDERATION OF PLATS: a. PZ97-22-Buffalo Run Subdivision-Revised WERNER-QUADE MOVED TO APPROVE PZ97-22, BUFFALO RUN SUBDIVISION. MOTION SECONDED BY GOECKE. La Shot noted the rezone for the subdivision was passed by council and will be effective in June. Planning & Zoning Commission Page 8 Minutes May 14, 1997 Bryson noted he will be abstaining on the motion adding he is open to specific request for information on action the borough took concerning any parts of subdivision. Glick asked if the borough changed anything. Bryson noted the Plat committee recommended approval of plat last night contingent upon the rezone. VOTE: BRYSON GOECKE MAHURIN GLICK ABSTAIN WERNER-QUADE YES NORD YES CHRISTIAN YES YES ABSENT YES MOTION PASSED. 6. PUBLIC HEARINGS: a. PZ97-12-A resolution recommending the Kenai City council amend Kenai Municipal Code 3.15 to prohibit the issuance of additional kennel facility permits in certain zones within the city limits. CHRISTIAN MOVED TO APPROVE PZ97-12. MOTION SECONDED BY GOECKE. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED: Deniece Isaacs, 620 Cedar, Woodland Subdivision. Isaacs stated she was here for all dog owners. Isaacs stated she did not believe that animal problems are based on trying to control covenants. Isaacs stated that people who apply for these license usually have three or more dogs. Isaacs noted that these people must go before animal control and are opening their homes to animal control at any time. These people care for their dogs, they are well trained, are used for shows. The problems are with those people who have no control over their dogs and let them run lose. Isaacs stated she believes the people applying for permits care about their dogs, property, neighbors. Isaacs reiterated that the people who have kennel licenses are not the ones that let their dogs run loose or leave them out barking all night. Isaacs noted if you are in the dog showing business you need more than three dogs. Isaacs stated she is against the resolution noting the problem is not with people who have permits. Isaacs stated she has four dogs and all but one is debarked. Isaacs noted she has been in her home eight years and has not had one complaint. Isaacs noted she knows another lady nearby who raises Shelty's who are all debarked and receives no complaints. Isaacs commented she believes this is the wrong way to do it. Isaacs stated she believes we are not here to make the laws or enforce covenants. Isaacs stated she doesn't believe in this, will fight it, and will obtain as many signatures as possible to fight it. Isaacs stated the range this will cover from RS to R2 is a broad range and it is talking about a lot of miles of area. Isaacs continued saying now the Commission is talking about broadening it. Isaacs stated it is under control now. Because people get licenses, it gives animal control the right to make them get rid of Planning & Zoning Commission Page 9 Minutes May 14, 1997 dogs. Isaacs stated that if this goes though, people will continue as they are. Isaacs stated the people who apply for these licenses care. Bryson asked Isaacs to explain her reference to expansion. Isaacs noted that Mr. Christian would like to expand the area of coverage. Isaacs reiterated she did not agree noting there are covenants in her subdivision allowing no more than two sled dogs. Isaacs noted other subdivisions have covenants which relate to the number of dogs. Isaacs noted she suggests that this should be the covenants department not the city's. Bryson asked if she is aware of the areas that are proposed. Bryson noted that other than the RU and RS2 only exists in Inlet View Subdivision. Isaacs noted that is close to her and it is not the territory, but the principle. Isaacs noted some people will come in and some won't. Isaacs noted she feels the way it is done now is the correct way to handle it. Christian asked to clarify that anyone who owns four or more dogs must obtain a permit. Christian noted the resolution does not include Woodland, Redoubt or any of those areas adding that was the impetus to this procedure. Isaacs noted she understands there are complaints but they are not on kennel facilities but on people who have one or two dogs. Isaacs asked that the complaints be checked noting they are not people who have kennel licenses. Isaacs commented that if there is no control now adding laws will not change it, perhaps enforcing the rules that exist now is what needs to be done. Isaacs explained that the animal control officer inspects and if it is not the right situation, the permit is not issued. Tom Sumey-1123 Alder in Woodland. Sumey asked if he had understood that this would not restrict kennel licenses in Woodland. This was confirmed. Sumey strongly requested that Woodland be included adding that he wished that he had neighbors who were as considerate as Ms. Isaacs. Sumey commented that the current animal control system doesn't work well because if you voice an opinion against a kennel license, you become the bad guy. Sumey urged that Woodland be included. Wayne Jones, 1125 Alder in Woodland. Jones noted that if he wanted to sale his home today, he would have problems. He stated he had to give credit for people cleaning up the smells but the dogs are heard all night. Jones asked the commission to look at the yards. Jones noted that dogs have a tendency to tear up yards. Jones stated he loves animals. Mahurin asked how many dogs live next to Jones. Jones stated 6. Sumey stated 6 and his wife stated 8. Sumey noted their neighbor had applied for a kennel license and ~ they didn't get it and now there is retaliation against the Surreys. Sumey noted they are trying to get around the law by getting a kennel license. Planning & Zoning Commission Page 10 Minutes May 14, 1997 Frankie Nordmyer-1120 Alder. Nordmyer stated it is not clear to her what a kennel permit is because where she comes from it is a business. Nordmyer asked for clarification. Graves stated a kennel is where a person keeps four or more dogs over the age of four months, noting it could be commercial but doesn't have to be. Graves stated that most of the kennels in Kenai are private. Nordmyer asked why so many people have more than four, asking if it is not being enforced. Graves stated he didn't know the answer adding that the animal control officer will contact people if he is notified of a problem. Nordmyer asked how many permits there were and La Shot noted he thought there were less than ten permits in the city. Nordmyer noted they have an awful lot of dogs in their neighborhood that bark constantly. Janet Sumey-Woodland. Sumey asked that Woodland be included in consideration for the resolution. Sumey noted it is a king size problem that they have been fighting for over a year. Sumey noted they had begged Mr. Christian to do something for them. Sumey noted they have not gotten help from animal control. Sumey talked about an individual who moved in with 2 dogs and all of a sudden had 8 dogs. Sumey noted the woman was rescuing dogs from the animal control shelter. Sumey commented on the housing in Woodland with small lots and the close proximity of the houses. Sumey noted they are only a small representative of the people who have had problems. Sumey noted she took a picture of their neighbor's back yard and it is a mud swamp and dogs are living in it. Sumey noted they are small lots, 1 10 feet in front. Sumey noted they have 10 dogs within a four lot radius. Sumey stated regarding the comments that by giving a kennel license, they can be reviewed Sumey commented on how difficult it is to take something away. Sumey stated the idea is prevention. Sumey begged the Commission to consider Woodland noting that the lots are small and the propensity for Alaska is for people to have dogs. Isaacs commented that she had submitted a letter. Isaacs noted that the comments being heard but noted she doesn't feel they are the kennels that are licensed now. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. Bryson noted he would like to go through the districts proposed noting the TSH zone kennels are prohibited in the zone in the Land Use Table. Bryson noted the RU zone which is adjacent to the TSH zone, in a high density situation adding he doesn't think kennels appropriate for the zone. Bryson stated that as regard RS2 zone, it hits a combination of philosophy; Bryson noted it is a relatively new zone. Bryson noted he feels that if people are in a district and if they want things to change to a major degree, they should try and adjust their zoning situation to that district. Bryson noted there is only one subdivision in the RS2 zone. Bryson noted how that originally when created the Land Use charts in the zoning code addressed if a CUP and if no indication it was Planning & Zoning Commission Page 1 1 Minutes May 14, 1997 presumed prohibited. When the zoning chart was revised, subsequently, the interpretation was looked at and decided that if it was prohibited, it had to be named. Bryson noted that currently the RS2 zone has no designation. Bryson noted he feels that if people want to live in RS2 with those restrictions, they should rezone. Bryson stated he feels the least populated zone and the most restricted are the most appropriate zone for that use. Bryson added that he feels if Woodland wants to rezone to RS2, they should petition to rezone. CHRISTIAN MOVED TO INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE RS ZONE, PARTICULARLY SMALLER LOT SUBDIVISIONS INCLUDING INLET WOODS, REDOUBT TERRACE, WOODLAND SUBDIVISION, AND DEEPWOOD PARK FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESTRICTING NEW KENNELS IN THESE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. GLICK ASKED IF AMENDMENT IS TO INCLUDE THE RS ZONE. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF SECOND. Goecke commented that he feels the Commission is trying to do something that may or may not help. Goecke noted he doesn't know that the city has everything they need to control this problem adding he is not advocating hiring more city employees. Goecke advised he feels the best way to try to control this would be for the residents of these impacted subdivisions to get together and amend their covenants. Goecke noted the city has no control in this area. Goecke noted if 51 percent of the property owners agree they could change the covenant. Goecke stated this could be a place to start. Goecke stated he knew an individual who would call the police and the police came over and woke up the owner. Goecke noted citizens have nothing to lose by calling the police. Mahurin apologized to Christian for not seconding the motion. Mahurin noted the RS zone would impact her and her neighbors. Mahurin stated she doesn't feel that this resolution will solve Woodland's problem. Mahurin noted she will be voting no on the resolution. Smalley advised the Commission does not deal with covenants and any comment in this regard is moot from the city's standpoint. Isaacs asked if anyone had any brainstorms of how to solve the dog problems. Isaacs offered her assistance. Smalley stated he felt the comments that Goecke made are appropriate and urged the people to call the police. Smalley advised he knew of a neighbor who the police contacted and the first call was at no charge, the second S 125, and the third was $ 500. Bryson requested that the city engineer point the zones affected by the ordinance. La Shot moved to zoning map to show the areas. Planning & Zoning Commission Page 12 Minutes May 14, 1997 VOTE: WERNER-QUADE YES GOECKE NO NORD ABSENT MAHURIN NO CHRISTIAN YES BRYSON YES GLICK YES MOTION PASSED, 4 to 2. b. PZ97-13-Conditional Use Permit-Retail Flower & Vegetable Sales for Abby Ala (39076 Strawberry Road, Kenai, Alaska). GOECKE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR PZ97-13. MOTION SECONDED BY MAHURIN. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED. CLOSED. La Shot noted no additional staff comments; however, noted the Commission may want to address the sign on Spur Highway. Goecke asked La Shot if they have approval from the highway department to place the sign or approval for sign. La Shot added he doesn't know if not permitted but doubts that. La Shot advised they have indicated they have applied for a state installed sign. Christian asked if the current sign is illegal. La Shot stated he couldn't say because he can't say if a vehicle or a sign. Goecke asked if it is a sign. Bryson advised he feels the sign situation a different situation adding he feels the proposed use appropriate for the area. Bryson advised there is legislation that may go into effect July 1St regarding highway signs. Bryson noted he is in favor of proposal. Christian noted this property is adjacent to another property with an approved use noting he will go along with the proposal. VOTE: GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT MAHURIN YES CHRISTIAN YES BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE YES GLICK YES MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. c. PZ97-14-A resolution recommending the Kenai City Council amend Kenai } Municipal Code 14.20.320(b)36 to change the definition of "guest room" to allow for one or more persons. MAHURIN MOVED TO APPROVE PZ97-14. MOTION SECONDED BY CHRISTIAN. Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes PUBLIC HEARING OPENED. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. VOTE: MAHURIN YES BRYSON YES GOECKE YES GLICK YES Page 13 May 14, 1997 CHRISTIAN YES WERNER-QUADE YES NORD ABSENT MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. d. PZ97-15-A resolution recommending the Kenai City council amend Kenai Municipal Code 14.20.320(b) to include the definition of "cabin rentals." CHRISTIAN MOVED TO APPROVE RESOLUTION PZ97-15. MOTION SECONDED BY GOECKE. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED. CLOSED. Bryson commented that this appears to be an appropriate definition to create. VOTE: CHRISTIAN YES BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE YES GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT MAHURIN YES GLICK YES MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. f. PZ97-17-Variance Permit-KMC 14.20.190 Principle Structure by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). GOECKE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF PZ97-17. MOTION SECONDED BY CHRISTIAN. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED. WILL JAHRIG-Advised he could comment but felt his application straightforward. ~ Christian questioned if he is asking for a variance for the new building or existing. Jahrig showed Christian on the plot plan the proposed structure as well as current structures. Jahrig advised he had discussed this with the city's building official and at the time it seemed fine; however, when he came in with the plot plan they noted a Planning & Zoning Commission Page 14 Minutes May 14, 1997 problem. Jahrig stated this was based on an incident that occurred elsewhere in the city. Springer advised it was the James Street cabins. Jahrig noted that previously the city was allowing these structures. Jahrig noted this was intent when he bought the property. Jahrig stated they had been advised they were required to obtain a variance adding it is not a problem but wished he would have known it was required earlier. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. Mahurin asked for permission to abstain from voting on the next three items noting her brother runs a guide service from this property. Mahurin added she would prefer that the Commission's decision not be challenged. Glick ruled Mahurin may abstain. Goecke commented that the Commission had gone back and forth with the Anglers Acres area adding he wished they could get the area classified as recreational. Goecke noted the bulk of the activity there is recreational. Goecke noted this fits with recreational. Goecke noted he wished a homeowner would begin the process to rezone the area. Goecke noted he is in favor with the variance. Bryson noted he concurs with Jahrig's approach. Bryson asked what the side yard setbacks in recreational were. La Shot noted the side yard setbacks are the same. Christian noted that it appears that there is a lot of activity there and asked if there are numerous lots with several cabins. La Shot noted there are at least a couple with several. Jahrig noted at least 8 are used for rentals. Jahrig listed, "Rainey at the end, at the start is Beaver Creek Lodge, Lowes, Jahrigs, another individual renting part of his house, and a couple others." Jahrig noted there are not many residences there year round, about 6, if that many. Jahrig noted quite a few single cabins. Christian noted he is curious regarding the information in the packet and asked why there was a conflict in the past. Jahrig noted perhaps it was more semantics. Jahrig noted they target the high end usage and hates to see the come in and cut all the trees down, and don't care to see that. Jahrig noted the lots are very expensive and functional for what they are using them for. Jahrig noted they have a high water problem so the septic must be installed correctly. Christian asked about the increased number of dwellings, how many people would they be talking about? Jahrig noted the large cabin has four double beds and a roll out bed which could accommodate up to five people. The other cabin has two double beds and a fold out couch. Jahrig figured 18 which was the original number used in 1987. Jahrig advised the Commission of the history of the building on his lot and how he obtained his permits in 1987. VOTE: BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE NO GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT ~ MAHURIN ABSTAIN CHRISTIAN YES GLICK YES MOTION PASSED. Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Page 15 May 14, 1997 g. PZ97-18-Encroachment Permit for side yard setbacks by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). CHRISTIAN RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF PZ97-18. MOTION SECONDED BY GOECKE. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED. WILL JAHRIG-Jahrig noted the building was placed and that they had kept a ten foot easement as required by the covenants of the subdivision. Jahrig noted the building had been a freezer room with two chest freezers, part for fishing gear storage, and the back end for storing bedding and used as a washer and dryer room. Jahrig noted he had discussed this with the building official who noted it was a gray area. Jahrig stated he felt by code he is allowed a storage building in the setback. Jahrig stated originally he had been told it was a ten foot setback and then he was told 15. Jahrig noted it is a storage unit not a dwelling unit. Glick asked about the foundation. Jahrig noted it is on steel pilings. Glick asked if it could be moved. Jahrig stated it could be moved. Jahrig stated all the buildings are on pilings because of the flood plain. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. Christian asked someone to explain the difference between this and the Lowe problem which was a five to six inch encroachment which wasn't approved. Jahrig noted it was resurveyed and approved. Jahrig explained that he had helped an individual move another cabin instead of trying to get an encroachment. Christian clarified that the Lowes had been a new addition and Jahrigs had been there for some time. Glick called for a vote. Jahrig asked if this is something that has to be voted on or if it is allowed. Springer noted that accessory structures that are easily movable are allowed. Glick asked if it is on skids. Jahrig noted it is on skids. Glick asked if there were any additional comments from La Shot. La Shot noted it became a permanent structure when he converted it to laundry room. La Shot noted normally a building on skids is okay to be in setback. Glick noted that now there is water and sewer to the building. Christian stated he looked at the building today and it is a very substantial structure and could be used as a cabin. Christian noted he feels it is on a good foundation and doesn't see it as a problem unless it becomes used in the future as a cabin. Jahrig noted the Commission could limit future use of the building if they so desired. Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Page 16 May 14, 1997 VOTE: WERNER-QUADE YES NORD ABSENT CHRISTIAN YES GLICK YES GOECKE YES MAHURIN ABSTAIN BRYSON YES MOTION PASSED. h. PZ97-19-Conditional Use Permit-Nightly Cabin Rentals and Guide Service by Will Jahrig (1215 Anglers Drive, Kenai, Alaska). WERNER-QUADE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF PZ97-19. MOTION SECONDED BY CHRISTIAN. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED: WILL JAHRIG-Jahrig noted in 1987 when he first applied for the conditional use he was one of the first to obtain a conditional use in the city. Jahrig thought the discussion was clear at the Planning and Zoning meeting but the way the resolution was written was vague. Jahrig noted he wanted to clean up the original application. Jahrig noted there is a guide service that operates from his property. Jahrig noted it is a quiet use adding that his neighbors are much in tune with his operation. Glick noted in the past they have limited the number of boats to three and asked if this was a problem. Jahrig noted he had initiated that adding he has only had two boats at any time. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. Goecke commended Mr. Jahrig for coming before the Commission and clearing up these items. Goecke noted the past resolution being issued as being wrong from the Commission in the past. Glick asked if they could add the limitation on the boats to the resolution. Glick felt it was appropriate to keep it the same as other permits issued in the area. GOECKE AMENDED THE MOTION TO LIMIT THE OPERATION TO THREE GUIDE BOATS OPERATING FROM THE DOCK. SECONDED BY CHRISTIAN. La Shot asked for clarification of three guide boats and if they are guides tying up there or guides picking up clients. Advised guides tying up. VOTE ON AMENDMENT: GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes MAHURIN ABSTAIN CHRISTIAN BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE GLICK YES MOTION PASSED. VOTE ON MAIN MOTION: MAHURIN ABSTAIN CHRISTIAN BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE GOECKE YES NORD GLICK YES MOTION PASSED. Page 17 May 14, 1997 YES YES YES YES ABSENT 7. NEW BUSINESS: a. Review of Development in the Townsite Historic District Zone-Restoration of the parish rectory at the Russian Orthodox Church site. GOECKE BROUGHT BEFORE BODY THE REVIEW OF THE RESTORATION OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH. MOTION SECONDED BY MAHURIN. No further staff comments. Mahurin commented that this is an exciting project and glad to see that it is reaching this stage. Mahurin noted the TSH Committee's good work and commended them and encouraged them on developing the area. VOTE: CHRISTIAN YES BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE YES GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT MAHURIN YES GLICK YES MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. b. PZ97-16-Home Occupation Permit-Guiding Business-Alva G. Schadle (701 Cypress Drive, Kenai, Alaska). GOECKE MOVED TO APPROVE PZ97-16 HOME OCCUPATION PERMIT. MOTION SECONDED BY MAHURIN. No additional staff comment. Planning & Zoning Commission Page 18 Minutes May 14, 1997 Christian noted he has a problem with this permit noting this is a small lot subdivision. Christian noted this is not operated within the house but is a business with boats coming and going early and late. Christian noted every lot in the area has a home and most have small children. Christian noted it is a residential area. Christian noted the applicant says he will be picking up his clients somewhere else he will still be leaving from the residence. Christian noted he contacted a neighbor who was unaware of this application and was shocked. Christian commented this is not like a computer business. Christian stated he has problem seeing this in Woodland Subdivision and will be voting no. Goecke stated he doesn't see this as a big problem. Goecke noted there are probably a third to half of the residents in the subdivision who have boats. Goecke stated that this person leaving in the morning is no different that other neighbors going fishing. Goecke stated when he leaves the kids will not be out. Goecke noted he says that clients don't come to the house but they will be picked up at a docking area. Goecke noted no problem with the permit but would limit the boats to one. Mahurin noted the analysis by the city engineer makes it clear (read from staff report). Mahurin stated she thought she understood but that the applicant states he is using the home just to store the boat. Mahurin stated she feels it is not real clear to her exactly what is going on. Mahurin stated she doesn't have information as to the size of the boat but noted individuals are allowed to park their boats at their residence. Mahurin says no one limits the number of boats individuals can have. Mahurin noted she wondered why he would need a permit except that the gentleman is letting the city know what he is doing. Mahurin stated she assumed the property owners were notified and was advised no. Mahurin asked why the neighbors weren't notified and asked why. Mahurin commented that she felt that the Commission had discussed this in the past and that it was decided neighbors would be advised of such permits. Goecke noted it is not required. Werner-Quade noted they had decided against changing it because of the paperwork and the fees attached adding there was no basis to feel it was a problem. Werner-Quade commented that she could understand what Mahurin is saying adding she felt the permit application was "wishy-washy." Werner- Quade asked how he could meet his clients if not at his house and Mahurin advised they meet at the river. Glick stated he is probably doing paperwork at the house. Goecke noted he felt the applicant should be commended for being up front. Goecke noted the boat is 18 feet long and advised that it is in his yard now. Werner-Quade asked if public comment is scrutinized on CUP's and asked if there is the power to review and revoke. La Shot noted that this is a Home Occupation Permit and if complaints are received we may ask them to apply for a Conditional Use Permit. Christian noted he recalled an individual who was running a business out of his home and it took a long time to get it taken care of. Christian noted it was the individual working on cars in his yard. Christian stated they are talking about a business that will be operating in a residential zone. Christian noted individuals are different as they go Planning & Zoning Commission Page 19 Minutes May 14, 1997 out a couple times a week wherein a guide would be daily. Christian noted these are 10,000 square foot lots. Bryson noted that concerning conditional use that by definition there are performance requirements. Bryson stated he felt the permit is not revocable unless deviation from original conditions when permit approved. The city just couldn't arbitrarily review these permits and revoke them because two neighbors decided they didn't like the operation. Bryson stated he didn't see the city having that flexibility in the matter. Bryson stated he agreed with the recommendation to limit the business-related boats to one. MAHURIN, WITH APPROVAL OF SECOND, AMENDED MOTION TO APPROVE HOP TO NOT MORE THAN TWO BOATS AT THE RESIDENCE. SECOND CONCURRED. Christian objected to two boats adding one boat would be sufficient. Glick noted he currently has two boats there, one personal. Bryson noted there is no restriction on boats that can be at house is part of the normal residence. Bryson stated that what the Commission is doing is limiting the commercial aspects. Bryson stated he feels the restriction to one commercially operated boat is appropriate. Mahurin stated she meant he comment of two boats to cover the personal and the business as to two boats on property. Mahurin noted that whatever the group wants to do, vote on two boats parked or one for the conditional use permit. Werner-Quade clarified that it is a home occupation permit. Mahurin noted it is semantics, one for .HOP or two on the property. Christian stated that since they are addressing the home occupation they should limit it to the one. MAHURIN, WITH PERMISSION OF SECOND, REWORD AMENDMENT TO SAY ONE COMMERCIAL BOAT. AGREED TO BY SECOND. Werner-Quade asked what Irene's Lodge is and if it is a conditional use. La Shot noted it is a conditional use, bed and breakfast, adding he doesn't know the particulars of the permit. Werner-Quade questioned if they have a permit to have all of the boats there, business there, etc. La Shot stated the permit would have to be researched for the stipulations. Smalley noted it is a B&B and conditional use for guiding. Werner-Quade advised she was looking for a comparison. Werner-Quade noted a HOP is supposed to be innocuous and is not supposed to create much movement. La Shot agreed it is supposed to be low key and does include things like hair dressers which could create traffic. Werner-Quade noted it is hard for her to see a guide business as being low key. La Shot stated he is using the home as a boat storage and meets his clients at the river. La Shot notes he likens it to a person who works shift work and comes and goes at odd hours. Werner-Quade stated she felt it is questionable. Planning & Zoning Commission Page 20 Minutes May 14, 1997 Smalley noted that looking at his permit he is being up front with the city adding that he could be doing this and the city would never know it. Smalley noted he could keep 20 boats there if they were all his. He is using his phone and storing the boats there. Smalley noted he is trying to be in compliance. Smalley added the city is picking up revenue from this. Smalley stated he could think of another subdivision where for years there were operations ongoing and no revenue was coming into the city. Smalley noted this finally got straightened out. Smalley reiterated this individual is trying to be honest. Jahrig noted that is why he wished the conditional use process was used more because the city could have more control and be generating more revenue. Jahrig added that there is still a lot of activity going on without necessary permits. La Shot noted in considering this, the Commission should note there are numerous commercial fisherman in town who store boats and gear. La Shot noted they may not come and go at odd hours, but storage of gear, and doing paperwork, is a lot more offensive. La Shot noted they handle their business there too. La Shot noted that aside from covenants, it could happen in Woodland. Mahurin called for the vote. Christian clarified if they were voting on the amendment. Glick advised it was not an amendment, it was a rewording of the original motion. Glick advised they are voting on the home occupation permit with one commercial boat. VOTE: BRYSON YES WERNER-QUADE YES GOECKE YES NORD ABSENT MAHURIN YES CHRISTIAN NO GLICK YES MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. c. Kenai River Comprehensive Management Plan Draft Glick noted if the Commission has comments they should make them so council knows how they feel when they look at the draft. Glick stated he had reviewed information on the lower river mainly and would like to present his feelings. Glick noted there was information in the packet regarding a meeting. La Shot noted the recommended changes to the plan are in the packet. Glick stated he personally agrees ~ with changes. Glick stated he agrees that the lower river should be included. Glick stated he has a sheet of information but didn't have copies to share. Glick noted that his son is a marine biologist. Glick stated that a couple years ago they did a study on the lower river checking the species of fish and were surprised. Glick noted there are something like 17 families for a total of 37 species of fish that either live or travel Planning & Zoning Commission Page 21 Minutes May 14, 1997 through the river. Glick stated he feels it just as important to the river as any other part. Glick stated he would like to see the amended changes to cover the commercial fisherman who have greater than 35 hp boats and their mooring, and if there needs to be canneries built, etc. Glick stated he felt that was all covered. Glick noted that it would be his recommendation to go along with the plan but include what the Cook Inlet Fishermen wanted added. Christian asked why they would need to go 4 miles up river. Glick noted that is to the Warren Ames Bridge. La Shot noted just below the bridge. Christian asked if there are commercial fishing vessels going that far. La Shot noted there are commercial locations up that far. Glick noted that before the bridge was built there were some that went above that and they complained that it was too low and they couldn't get up it. Bryson noted the Coyles and Garcias had buoy approval adjacent to their properties. La Shot stated the Board will take up adoption of the plan on June 5"'. La Shot noted there will be a presentation by Bruce Phelps who is the lead planner at the next council meeting to answer questions and give a short presentation. La Shot noted he has been involved in the process and there is a lot of feeling that this plan may be viewed like the last one as something thrown upon us to regulate the river or an evil document concocted by the River Board. La Shot noted that since he has viewed the process it is a compilation of comments by the various users. La Shot he thought the feeling of the Board is that if the city can get involved, they can see some positive things from the plan and can go along ways in doing some good things for the river. La Shot noted that there have been people come forth since this process got started to ask that their areas also be included, mostly upstream in the upper watershed area. La Shot stated they had a group meeting with some of the fishing groups and the consensus when they left was that if their concerns were taken care of, they would endorse the plan. La Shot stated that won't be known until everything comes about. La Shot noted he cannot say for certain that the city is interested in getting involved but if so, now is the time to get involved and comment and try to get changes in the document. Smalley noted the last page Item 3 states priority being given to commercial fishermen and asked what the impact is to the dip net fishery. Smalley noted there are a great number of boats that are 16 footers and reiterated he didn't know what that statement meant. La Shot noted they are recognizing the historic, long-term use of the river by commercial fishermen in that area. La Shot stated that hopefully by extending the boundary downstream there will be room for some park enforcement and help in the way of dealing with the dipnetters in the area. La Shot noted it is chaos during that time of year and there is a real safety problem. Glick asked about the dates, June 15 to August 15. La Shot noted peak of the sockeye run and when the dipnetting gets serious the commercial fisherman are hitting the peak of their season. Goecke commented that commercial fishing was over by that time. Jahrig noted the Harbor Commission reviewed the plan. Jahrig noted they bring in herring the end of April or first of May. Jahrig stated they had wondered if there was something hidden. La Shot stated he didn't feel there was anything intentionally Planning & Zoning Commission Page 22 Minutes May 14, 1997 hidden but the thought was that since there were so many people converging on the river at that time, that the commercial industry should be noted. La Shot added that he felt that the rest of the year there is commercial activity but very little recreational activity and probably little problems. La Shot stated that if this is a concern, it should be brought up. Kelly Wolfe, from the audience, asked to make a comment. Wolfe noted he sits on the Fish & Game Advisory Board. Wolfe stated the plan was brought to them at their last meeting and noted they did not take a stand on it. Wolfe stated he had asked if any part of the Comprehensive Plan had been run by the AG's office and had been told no. Mahurin asked for clarification on when council will be discussing the plan. Advised the 21St Glick asked how the Commission would like to proceed. La Shot stated he would hope to include the minutes if there were no specific comments. La Shot noted that the Harbor Commission made a recommendation to exclude the lower river from the KRSMA (Kenai River Special Management Area) boundary. Glick questioned if the lower river is from the bridge down. La Shot noted the bridge is the present boundary and the new plan recommends expanding the boundary to the mouth. ~ Bryson asked if council has discussed this in general. Smalley advised no but there were asked to read the documents by the next meeting. Bryson, as part of the rezoning to include the area in the borough district that was set up, asked if there was any discussion to include the park boundaries. Smalley noted they have had discussions in the past couple years with regard to potential regulations to the borough on the river, definitions, expansions, but no position has been taken. Bryson clarified the lower river is in the Kenai River Overlay District. La Shot noted that the reason he is asking for comments is that at some point after the plan is adopted by the board, both cities and the borough will be asked to adopt the plan. La Shot noted that at that time the city will either support it or not. La Shot noted if there is any intention of supporting the document it is best to have recommended changes in the plan. Smalley advised this is the process that the council had objected to in the past. Smalley noted a lot of stuff had come down without much input. Smalley noted he felt this is a step in a positive way so the city can have some input into the development of the plan. Mahurin noted she has only skimmed the draft adding she will be trying to read it before the next council meeting. Mahurin stated she has always felt that the City of Kenai should have been involved in the preservation, protection, and management of the river adding she was distressed that they chose not to before. Mahurin added she has a problem with making a recommendation with preference for fisheries. Mahurin stated she is not comfortable with making a specific motion for council. Mahurin stated that instead she would prefer to have the opportunity as a Planning and Zoning Planning & Zoning Commission Page 23 Minutes May 14, 1997 Commissioner to state she supports some kind of river management for the City of Kenai to be involved in. Mahurin stated she would read her report and submit comments to council. Mahurin commented that she felt that the City of Kenai, politically and revenue-wise, should not side with one fishery over another. Mahurin stated she felt the city is here to support all fisheries that promote the area adding she is uncomfortable with what could be giving one priority over another. Mahurin stated she would like to read the entire report before voting. Jahrig (from the floor) stated that is one of the issues the Harbor Commission had a problem with. Jahrig noted he feels there are problems that may crop up from other aspects such as property owners, future property owners, etc. Mahurin, referring to the study Mr. Glick had spoken of, stated the study showed not only how many species, but spawning grounds that everyone was unaware of. Mahurin noted there was a fish hatchery in the area they didn't know about. Mahurin stated she is for protection and management but noted she has several concerns. Goecke commented that he didn't feel the document was trying to protect one group over another. Goecke noted the commercial people do need, especially in the month of July, a little more right of way when bringing the big boats up river. Goecke commented on how difficult it is to bring the boats up the river. Goecke noted he is fairly comfortable with what has happened adding he feels that they tried to come up with something for all groups. Goecke commented that he may have not made it known, but he was never in favor of the special river management. Mahurin noted the City of Kenai has invested a lot of money in unloading facilities and recreational facilities. Mahurin noted she felt they need to be cognizant that it is a multi-purpose use facility. Mahurin noted they need to be aware of this from the city point of view adding that is what they are here for as Planning and Zoning Commissioners. Glick asked if it would be satisfactory if a copy of minutes of the discussion be sent. La Shot stated yes and encouraged any of the Commission who can to attend the next council meeting. La Shot noted there have been numerous public hearings and it has been difficult to find something that will please everyone. Glick commented he didn't feel they were in a position to adopt the plan and instead they could send a copy of the minutes. Agreement of other Commissioners. Glick noted anyone with strong feelings they could attend the council meeting. ~ d. PZ97-21 -Landscape Site Plan-Salamatof Native Association-140 & 150 Willow Street North (Lots 6A & 6B, Block 1, CIIAP Subdivision) GOECKE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF PZ97-21. MOTION SECONDED BY CHRISTIAN. Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Page 24 May 14, 1997 La Shot noted no additional staff comments. La Shot noted there is a representative here if the Commission has any questions. Christian asked if this is the same location as current building. Wolfe advised they have purchased two buildings next door and want to make it look nicer. They will be adding to and making the two buildings one. Wolfe noted they will be using pea gravel instead of lawn. Christian asked if reason why gravel instead of grass, will be planting trees, and there will be flower beds. Wolfe noted they had no one to mow lawn. Wolfe commented that they felt it would be easier to lay the gravel and perhaps put a lawn in later. Mahurin agreed it would be nice to have lawn but trees and shrubbery will be much nicer than what is there now. Wolfe noted there will be trees and flower beds. VOTE: WERNER-QUADE YES NORD ABSENT CHRISTIAN YES GLICK YES GOECKE YES MAHURIN YES BRYSON YES MOTION PASSED, UNANIMOUS. 8. OLD BUSINESS: None. 9. CODE ENFORCEMENT ITEMS: None. 1. REPORTS: a. City Council Councilman Smalley reported that their is a copy of the agenda in the packet. Under Item B1, Sky Carver did a presentation stating that he would like to see city do competitive bidding on recycling programs, refuse pickups, etc. Smalley noted there are two providers thus it would have to go up for a bid process. Item B2, which was H5, extended Continuum Corporation's lease. Under public hearings, Smalley noted they were straightforward and adopted. Item C4, is in reference to the city attempting to work out some potential resolution in the Inlet Woods area. The city is picking up options on lots. Smalley noted that if this happens, the city will get quit claim deeds which means they won't have to wait ten years to get title. Item 9, Resolution 97-24 Planning & Zoning Commission Page 25 Minutes May 14, 1997 proposed ground breaking ceremony reception for the Advanced Airport Safety Fire Fighting Program School. Smalley advised that FAA has expressed concern about a large volume of money going out at one time. Smalley noted FAA discussed making one appropriation one year, in July and then again in October. Smalley noted that FAA's share is approximately 58 million. Smalley noted that discussions have been held with oil companies and others to expand the area. Under New Business, Smalley advised that council will be going into executive session to discuss evaluations of the city attorney and city clerk. Item 3 involved the proposed development of the animal control facility. Smalley advised the question being investigated is because the facility is on airport lands could they use airport funds and lease it back to the city and is legal. The city has received verbal okay from FAA and is awaiting written verification. The city is prepared to deal with the issue if they receive the paperwork. b. Borough Planning Bryson advised there were meetings on April 28th and May 12th. Bryson noted some items were on both agendas, specifically the Buffalo Run Subdivision which had been pulled from 28th and rescheduled on 12th where it was recommended for approval. Bryson reported there was a somewhat similar situation the city runs in the Old Town area where there are odd lot sizes and odd road configurations. Bryson noted that Ninilchik Village has the problem and there was a petition to vacate a portion of right of way. Bryson noted there was an area was jutting and blocking a usable road. Bryson noted that this was eventually approved. Regarding the 8000 acres in North Kenai which was requested to be sold, details are still being discussed. The assembly defeated a proposal to establish a moratorium for classification petitions by the borough until community land use plans were developed. This was defeated at assembly. Bryson noted that presently there has been no modification of classification procedures. c. Administration La Shot noted several projects are out to bid. One, the new parallel taxiway and grass ski strip at the airport. The fire training site work is out to bid. Mission Street will be coming up. La Shot noted this is officially a state project with build with ISTEA funds. And, may have an animal shelter bid later. Smalley noted intent language has been introduced prior to the adjournment of the legislature. Smalley noted this is dealing with the state's funding of the Challenger ~ Center which is approximately 1.5 million. Smalley noted this would encourage funds from Washington D.C. Smalley added that private donations have been coming in. 11. PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEDULED: Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes 12. INFORMATION ITEMS: a. Private/Native Vacant Parcel Information b. Anglers Acres Conditional Use Permit History c. PZ96-35-Letter Requesting CUP Review Information 13. COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS: Page 26 May 14, 1997 Mahurin apologized for being late and thanked the chair for the phone call. Mahurin commented that she is pleased that the Land Use Table review is complete and moving along. Mahurin stated she would like to discuss the policy on notifying neighboring property owners on HOP's perhaps in the fall when things slow down. Mahurin asked about the new motel next to the Eagles Lodge and if it was legal without coming before the board. La Shot advised yes, noting it is a commercial zone. Mahurin asked about the gates to the float plane basin being locked and when they would be open. La Shot stated he didn't know and suggested she call the airport manager. Bryson apologized for missing the work session noting he did not forget but got tied up in the field working. Goecke commented regarding code enforcement, at the corner of Fourth and Forest, there are several cars parked. At the corner of Spur and Tinker, there is a road grader with engine out which has never seen it moved. Goecke noted that next door to that there are three cars and a school bus that hasn't been moved. Goecke asked about the article in paper about a trash ordinance. Goecke noted he doesn't know if the city has such an ordinance but would like to have this looked at. Goecke noted that if the city doesn't have an ordinance such as Soldotna, he would be instrumental in pushing for one. La Shot noted that there is a trash ordinance and in the same section of the code as the junk cars. La Shot noted he will pass the information on to the city manager and see if he wants to assign someone to deal with them. La Shot noted it is in Title 12. Goecke asked Smalley if the city has given any thought to having the Challenger Project put into anything other than a new building on that facility, i.e. renting space in the old Carrs Mall, the Visitor's Center. Smalley advised there has been discussion depending on funding. Smalley noted the Challenger Center Board is a separate entity. Smalley noted they have talked about the Visitor Center and the old Kenai Elementary. Smalley commented that the city wants to have very little of it's money in the center. Goecke commented on the fact that there are a lot of big projects in the works and questions if there will be enough private money. Goecke commented that he questions the Visitor Center being aself-sustaining entity. Smalley advised the center will begin charging user fees for some areas. Smalley responded to Goecke's comment about the corner of the Spur and Tinker. Smalley stated that the road grader is being rebuilt and the vehicles all run. The vehicle Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes Page 27 May 14, 1997 i on the trailer is a racing dune buggy. Smalley noted this would have difficulty meeting the junk car code. Werner-Quade congratulated Mr. Smalley on his retirement. Smalley noted there are 16 people leaving the Kenai Central. 14. ADJOURNMENT: Meeting adjourned 9:40 p.m. Respectfully Submitted: ~~ M rily Kebschull Administrative Assistant