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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-06-26 Planning & Zoning Minutes- CITY OF KENAI PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS June 26, 2002 - 7:00 p.m. 1. CALL TO ORDER: a. Roll Call b. Agenda Approval c. Consent Agenda *All items listed with an asterisk (*) are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Commission and will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Commission Member so requests, in which case the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered in its normal sequence on the agenda as part of the General Orders. 2. *APPROVAL OF MINUTES: a. *June 12, 2002 3. SCHEDULED PUBLIC COMMENT: 4. PUBLIC HEARINGS: a. PZ02-26-A resolution of the Kenai Planning and Zoning Commission recommending to the Council of the City of Kenai, naming an unnamed existing street. Recommended name Gee Bee Avenue. b. PZ02-34-An application for a variance permit for a variance from the Development Requirements Table {Minimum Lot Size} for the property described as Government Lot 178 (1515 Lawton Drive), Kenai, Alaska. Application submitted by Steven A. Richard, P.O. Box 188, Kenai, Alaska. c. PZ02-36-An application to amend Conditional Use Permit PZ99-O1 to include outdoor recreational activities for the property known as 9775 Kenai Spur Highway (That portion of the W %z SW %a SE %q lying S of the Kenai Spur Road ROW excluding leased portion per agreement 559 @ 796), Kenai, Alaska. This is the site of the City of Kenai's Multipurpose Facility. Application submitted by the City of Kenai, 210 Fidalgo Avenue, Suite 200, Kenai, Alaska. 5. CONSIDERATION OF PLATS: a. PZ02-35-Stecella Subdivision (A subdivision of Government Lot 178) b. PZ02-3$-Valhalla Heights Subdivision -Frank Addition 6. OLD BUSINESS: a. Draft amendment to Recreation Zone -Discussion 7. NEW BUSINESS: Planning & Zoning Commission Agenda 8. PENDING ITEMS: 9. CODE ENFORCEMENT: 10. REPORTS: a. City Council b. Borough Planning c. Administration 11. PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEDULED: 12. INFORMATION ITEMS: a. "Zoning Bulletin" --May 25, 2002 & June 10, 2002 13. COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS: Page 2 .Tune 2b, 2002 14. ADJOURNMENT: CITY OF KENAI PLANNING 8s ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS JUNE 26, 2002 - 7:00 P.M. CHAIR RON GOECKE, PRESIDING MINUTES ITEM 1: CALL TO ORDER Chairman Goecke called the meeting to order at approximately 7:01 p.m. 1-a. Roll Call The roll was confirmed as follows: Commissioners Present; Bryson, Goecke, Nord, Osborne, and Glick Commissioners Absent: Erwin and Tunseth Others Present: City Planner Kebschull, Public Works Manager La Shot, Building Official Springer, City Clerk Freas and Councilman Bannock 1-b. Agenda Approval The following items were requested to be added to the agenda: ADD AT: 4-c, Condition Use Permit PZ02-36 -- Memorandum noting unanimous support by Parks and Recreation Commission at their special meeting of June 25, 2002. MOTION: Commissioner Bryson MOVED to approve the agenda with the addition as listed and requested UNANIMOUS CONSENT. Commissioner Osborne SECONDED the motion. There were no objections. SO ORDERED. 1-c. Consent Agenda The following item was requested to be added to the consent agenda: CHANGE TO: Item 2, Approval of Minutes -- June 12, 2002 Insert at: Page 3, immediately after opening comments of Barbara Waters and before the vote. Goecke: Ok, Anybody else wishing to speak to this item? Close public hearing at this time. Staff, anything additional? Kebschull: Just for clarification would like to let the commission understand we did confer with the City Attorney in this case and he recommended amending the conditional use permit 1 to include this lot rather than pursue an off-premise sign because we would rather not go in that direction. The current permit is active right now for two lots and she could expand her construction onto that second lot if she met the building code requirements far the use right now. For further clarification, she will have to come and get a sign permit and they have advised that they do not plan to put a larger than 32 square foot sign that is allowed although they do have a new sign and they might be able to answer questions about that. Goecke: Ok. Thank you. Bring it back to the Commissioners. Bryson: One question, I may have missed it, misunderstood some of the testimony but the proposal is to put the sign on Lot 6 and there is no right-of--way that is proposed....is there a frontage road in front of this parcel, separate from the DOT right-of-way? Kebschull: Not that I'm aware of. MOTION: Commissioner Bryson MOVED to approve the consent agenda with the addition to the minutes as stated and Commissioner Glick SECONDED the motion. There were no objections. SO ORDERED. ITEM 2: APPROVAL OF MINUTES -- June 12, 2002 Amended and approved by consent agenda. ITEM 3: SCHEDULED PUBLIC COMMENT -- None. ITEM 4: PUBLIC HEARING 4-a. PZ02-26-A resolution of the Kenai Planning and Zoning Commission recommending to the Council of the City of Kenai, naming an unnamed existing street. Recommended name Gee Bee Avenue. MOTION: Commissioner Glick MOVED for approval of PZ02-26 and Commissioner Bryson SECONDED the motion. There were no public comments. Kebschull reminded the Commission they had seen the item several times and it was a result of a plat being approved, FBO Subdivision No. 7, leaving a parcel without an address in an unnamed right-of-way. The Airport Commission proposed and recommended the name "Gee Bee Way." Kebschull added, the date on the resolution included in the packet, needed to be corrected to "26th day of June" instead of the "12th day of June." Kebschull also noted the street name was selected as it is the name of a small airplane. PLANNING 8s ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 2 VOTE: B son: Yes Erwin: Absent Goecke: Yes Nord: Yes Osborne: Yes Tunseth: Yes Glick: Yes MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. MOfiION: 4-b. PZ02-34-An application for a variance permit for a variance from the Development Requirements Table (Minimum Lot Size) for the property described as Government Lot 178 (1515 Lawton Drive), Kenai, Alaska. Application submitted by Steven A. Richard, P.Q. Box 188, Kenai, Alaska. MOTION: Commissioner Osborne MOVED for approval of Resolution PZ02-34 and Commissioner Nord SECONDED the motion. Goecke opened the floor to public hearing and noted each person speaking would be given five minutes in which to make their comments. Verbatim: Steven A. Richard; My name is Steven A. Richard. My wife Cecelia and I are the ones that are wanting to subdivide this property. I've got some plots here for, if it would be okay if I give a few out if anybody is interested in looking at them. What we've got is a two and one-half acre tract that I had proposed to subdivide and there will be three lots that are directly across the street from the Kenai Golf Course there. Goecke: Just a second (pause). Go ahead. I'm sorry. Richard: They're a, they will be 10,000 square feet, the three lots will have road frontage and it's our intent to bring water and sewer into them if this is approved. That whole neighborhood has changed since the golf course has went in and there's a proposal, possibly this year, to, we'll see across the road and just down a little ways some triplexes and townhouses. I think Anderson Construction might be doing that. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 3 So, based on all that, and there'll be black-topping road, and it's just not going to be the same area that it used to be, so we're going to subdivide, we're pretty much up against it right now, while they're in there doing all the dirt work and everything, rather than going back two years from now, tearing up blacktop and added expense. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. We just showed up here in case anybody had any questions. Goecke: Okay. Anybody else wishing to speak to this item Brad Zubeck: My name is Brad Zubeck. I live at 102 Highbush. A neighbor of Steve's. I'd like to speak in opposition to the variance. Steve's my neighbor and a friend of mine and I understand he'd like to subdivide his property and get the development or the platting done before, and improvements done, before the road gets paved. And I understand his, his desire to subdivide and maximize his gain possibly from three lots on the property. My recommendation, what I'd like to see is just maybe just two lots that would front the road there, Lawton Drive. I think it would probably be, my interest is in protecting the value of my home. A larger size lot would, would probably sell for higher value and probably attract a larger home. If we have the 10,000 square foot lots approved, in all likelihood, my lot, now that you may or may not be familiar with it, is a little over 12,000 square feet and it's a little smaller. I wish I had a larger lot. So, my suggestion, my hope is that we could convince, not ask him personally to do that, but of course, I understand his interest in, he'd like to have a 10,000 square foot lots approved. I'd like to see it go to two lots. That's my request. To maintain property values. To encourage larger size dwellings to be built in the area instead of three smaller ones. I do understand his concern and I'm concerned also with the, the development of triplexes on the property the city sold to SAC Services. I'd like to, that's a different issue, but I do understand there will be development in the area. There will be quite a few more families in the area, so, that may not seem like there're few more homes, but my hope is that we would have larger sized lots in the area and a less dense development in terms of families. Any questions for me? Goecke: Mr. Bryson. Bryson: Ah, Mr. Zubeck, what is the distance from your lot to a... Zubeck: Approximately 100 and, the next lot aver to me has 134 feet of frontage and there's aright-of--way, the street is called, you've probably gat, I can't remember the name of the street there...help me... Kebschull: Glacier Street. PLANNING S~ ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 4 1 Zubeck: ...Glacier Street, yes. Bryson: You're lots sided on...Lot 3 of Park Subdivision? Zubeck: Actually Lot 4 of Parks Subdivision. Bryson: You are Lot 4... Zubeck: Lot 4, yes. So there's Lot 3 and the right-of-way for Glacier... Bryson: Lots 1, 2, and 3 of Park Subdivision around the same size as yours? Zubeck: Yes. Bryson: No more questions. Zubeck: As I said, my hope is just for larger sized lots in the area to attract or encourage larger size homes that would increase property values which would be in my best interest and I understand Steve's interest is the more lots, the more bang for your buck there for value. So... Goecke: Okay, thank you. Zubeck: Thank you. Goecke: Anyone else wishing to speak to this item? At this time we'll close the public hearing and bring it back. Staff, anything additional? Kebschull: Nothing additional, unless you have questions. Bryson: My question is in general. Are there other lots that are subdivided down to ten to 12,000 square foot size in the area in addition to Parks Subdivision? Kebschull: The golf course lots are actually fairly large. I think I checked and they're between 17 and 19,000 and I can't see the rnap from here, so, I'm not sure. If you want me to take a quick look, I can run over there. Bryson: No, I just wanted a relative impact on the north side of Lawton... (inaudible) ...development. Kebschull: Across from, well, directly down, as you go dawn Lawton from the subdivision Mr. Zubeck lives in, is a government lot and then down from that is Terra B Subdivision that has four lots that front Lawton and I can't, they have been subdivided. I don't have sizes, but they're not, they look to be maybe a little bit larger PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION ~ JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 5 than Parks Subdivision, and then past that, Day Subdivision, has also been subdivided down from a government lot. So there has been subdivisions done in the past down there, prior to my term. Bryson: Okay it's four, it's four lots out a 2%Z acre cuts Kebschull: I can't tell. Would you like to see the map I'm looking at? Goecke: Okay, anybody else? VOTE: Goecke: Yes Nord: Yes Osborne: Yes Tunseth: Absent Glick: Yes B son: Yes Erwin: Absent A~OTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. Goecke noted, anyone wishing appeal the decision could do so to the City Clerk within 15 days of the action. 4-c. PZ02-3fi An application to amend Conditional Use Permit PZ99-O1 to include outdoor recreational activities for the property known as 9775 Kenai Spur Highway (That portion of the W 1/2 SW 1/4 SE 1/4 lying S of the Kenai Spur Road ROW excluding leased portion per agreement 559 @ 796), Kenai, Alaska. This is the site of the City of Kenai's Multipurpose Facility. Application submitted by the City of Kenai, 210 Fidalgo Avenue, Suite 200, Kenai, Alaska. MOTION: Commissioner Nord MOVED to approve PZ02-36 and Commissioner Bryson SECONDED the motion. The item was opened to public hearing. Verbatim: Dave Fandel: Members of the Zoning Commission, chairman, my name is Dave Fandel. I live at 702 Lawton Drive and I live directly across Lawton from the three- sided multipurpose building that's in there currently. I'm coming to you to seek some relief from the current situation as it stands right now and I have brought with you my attempts to, and actually, the people who live in the very vicinity of this building, some sort of explanation of why we are in opposition to this. Okay. It's not that we don't PLANNING 8v ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 6 J think the facility should be used, it's just the current write-up of this doesn't provide for any sort of management of the facility whatsoever. It provides no time limits, no guidelines, no supervision, and it makes it very difficult to live across the street from this. Currently, there's a skateboard ramp which is all metal construction which has been placed on the outside of this building. It has been for aver a month and I have personally gone in a talked to Bob Frates about this and our conversation basically went from pleasant to heated to fishing to heated to pleasant and then I left and I got basically, no where because I'm up from seven o'clock in the morning sometimes, kids are out there skating on this thing until anywhere, I've called the police as late as three, two-forty in the morning. So, it's a constant slamming, banging, banging, slamming and the result that I got from going to the parks was they said they were going to weld this thing, because they said it was Loose and that's what's causing all this banging. Well, they did weld it and I commend them for that, but it's mare of a maintenance issue that solving the problem. Anytime you take something hard and slam it on steel, it's going to make a loud noise. Now, I've lived there, in that particular house, since 76 and it's a quiet residential neighborhood and this kind of activity going on that's not monitored, has no time and is so loud, is very, very obtrusive to anything, I mean, I can't even sit out in my front yard because the noise is bone-scattering. I mean, it's, it's just, it's obnoxious beyond belief. We have noted increase in traffic, probably twice the traffic now running up and down the streets. Loud stereos, kids screaming and hollering. I've been picking up beer bottles every Sunday morning out of my yard for the last three weekends and in the entire time that I've lived at that residence, I have had to pick up zero beer bottles until the last three weekends since that thing has been put in place. There's twenty-four hours of daylight here. The kids use it twenty-four hours. I am not opposed to them having a skateboard park. I teach middle school. Lots of my kids skateboard. They're not bad kids, I'm not opposed to that. I'm opposed to being right across the street from a residential neighborhood as are the neighbors who have signed this. They're very opposed to having it there because of the sound. The noise. It's, it's deafening and it goes on all night. Now, with this proposal, they're asking to expand this and they're asking to include other activities. I've gone in and I've fried to ask the right people, the parks, Linda Snow, and I've tried to say, "Hey look, can you help us with this? Can you do something with this problem?" Well, I basically got nothing. They said you're going to have to go to this meeting and you're going to have to oppose this and that's the only thing you can do other than call the police. Now, it is very frustrating for me to have to police something that I didn't put there to begin with. I mean, I didn't oppose the three-sided building when it was put in. I didn't oppose the Challenger Center when they put that in. I didn't even oppose the sign that everybody got so upset about. I don't care. It's no big deal to me. But this, PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 7 this outside use of this facility, the way it is being conducted right now, is dead wrong and rt s horrible to live with. It s not livable. You can't Iive with it. I mean, I listen to this stuff like I said, until the wee early mornings of the hour and if I want to sleep, I either have to call the police or I have to wear earplugs and that's pretty much the same with my neighbors and if you look at the map on the back side of this letter that was sent to me, the residents in Lawton Drive and Inlet View that are probably within hearing range of those, lot owners one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, on the right- hand side, all signed this petition. Lot owner one abstained because he wasn't really sure what was going on. Lot owner two on the left-han.d side, signed it. Three was on vacation. Four was at work opposite my schedule so I could never get a-hold of him. Lot owner five has signed it. Lot owner six was opposed to it as it's being run right now, but not opposed to the kids having a skateboard park, Goecke: You have five seconds Fandel: Okay. I'm just asking for a little relief. Thank-you. Goecke: Okay. Anyone else wishing to speak to this item? Irene Fandel: My name is Irene Fandel and I live at 702 Lawton Drive. David pretty much said everything that I would have said except for the fact that my very first time before the honorable city council was back in February in 1983 at which time I requested a B&B permit. Received one and consequently became the very first bed and breakfast on the Kenai Peninsula. I have had a really nice long stay there but recently several projects have been built across the Lawton Drive from us. Every time one of these projects were going to be built, Ireceived awell-informed certified letter from the city telling us exactly what was going to happen and all about it. We received no notification about the ramps being put there. In fact, for the first two weeks, the neighborhood, a few of them asking me how I was standing the noise from the construction, we all thought it was construction going on there again which is fine. At that time, I took a good look and that's when I noticed it wasn't construction. Now, I have not objected, like David says to any of the Challenger Center or the three- sided multipurpose building or the sign. The sign's great. I tell my customers, "Go to the sign, turn left." I don't have a problem with it. We have not opposed any of these. When the skateboard ramp came on line, the noise volume was unbearable all day long and beyond midnight from the use of it. But that's not all of it. Add to that the screaming, which the kids are having fun; the boom-boxes aver there; cars at night stopping to shout back and forth to the kids with their radios booming that long ba- boom-ba-boom sound. The noise is the first problem, which causes us not to have PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 8 sleep, the language, I don't know how anyone could feasibly sit on a front porch and listen to it. I feel the skateboard is a needed thing. I just feel it's been put in the wrong area. I don't think the residential area is a place to put it. There are several places in the community that I know. Not several, a couple that I know that I would recommend which I'm not, not going into that issue. I'm speaking as a business person. My guests will never be able to sleep. They go to bed early in the evening. They rise early in the morning. Igo to bed at eight-thirty at night. I'm not going to get any sleep. It's a nuisance far me. I'd like for you to reconsider this. Thank you. Goecke: Anyone else wanting to speak to this item? Herman Fandel: My name is Herman Fandel. I live at 702 Lawton Drive and my family and I are owners of two businesses: Irene's Lodge and Alaska Guides. Most of the guide business comes from the people who stay at Irene's Lodge. So we've got a two-fold interest in that building -- well athree-fold, we also live there. I don't know that we've ever had any problem there until the, the skateboard situation came about, but let me pass some information on to you that I know because I'm there first hand. I'm out in the yard a lot. When we go out of the house on the porch tonight, Irene reached back to turn the lock on the door, we had wham-wham from right across the street. You can't just drive aver there and realize what this, this boom, this noisy whatever- it's-called skateboard apparatus. You got to be there when the noise is there and you may go a minute or two or five minutes and you drive away, bam, bam, bam. There's kids, there's kids that have got very proficient on it going way in the air, coming down and making a hell of a slamming sound. Bicycles on it going way in the air, coming down. Twice we have witnessed motorcycles going on it. I have never witnessed anybody that's, there's no supervision as far anything I've seen. The kids just run wild with it. Now, now let me just go over a few points what we've found. It's increased the teenage foot traffic in the area of Lawton and Rogers and, and it increased greatly this bicycle, the bicycle traffic. Today I counted seven bicycles with young kids right along Lawton Drive as I came home, just, just today. I mean, just at the same time. A few nights ago, and I called the police about this, four teenagers walking east on Lawton Drive, shooting with slingshots, rocks that were hitting the metal, the metal building there, the hockey rink, and they were hitting the metal ramps there that the, of the skateboard thing. I called the police about it. I assume they went out and checked on it, but this is a dangerous situation. Four kids, four or five, shooting slingshots from Lawton into that area. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 9 This is a bad area for one thing. When kids are in sight, and I've got a Iot of experience. I sponsored one Boys Club in Las Vegas with a membership of about three hundred, another Boys Club in San Bernadino, California, I sponsored them for my professional boxing career, paid everything and that one in California had about 400 membership, so I've got a lot of experience for kids. Besides I was raised at 15 and raised four of our own, Kids will be kids and in that location, it's very bad. They're hid in behind the hockey rink. They're hid behind the space building, whatever the proper name is. The high school blocks view from the other side. There's timber in various areas and when they're in there, it's so blocked, that I thought it was a construction project for several days. We were doing work as our season comes on and I'm out in the yard a lot. I also know that a neighbor lady talked to my wife and commented something about when are they, when's the construction project going to be done, or the construction work. That's what I thought it was. Then when I found out it was this, this skateboard ramp, why we started looking a little bit closer into it. One thing that I'm concerned about too and that is, that, that, this is spawning, this is a spawning ground for trouble with no supervision and the basic age of the kids that are going or the people going there, it's a perfect site that's being developed for vandalism. The police will have a number of reports of vandalism in that area. I was hoping one of the officers would be here tonight. Teenage drinking... Goecke; Fifteen seconds. Fandel: ...(inaudible)...all kinds of things that come out of there. Anyway, winding up here, it needs to be moved. We're asking you that it be moved. That, that would solve the noise problem and a lot of other problems that seem to be developing there. Thank yau. Goecke: Anyone else wishing to speak to this item? Again, you have five minutes. State your name, sign in, and your address please. Leah Stanford -- Hi, xny name is Leah Stanford and I live on 430 Rogers Road. If you look on the map, I'm the fourth block, the fourth parcel of land, and I'm the one who asked when the construction was going to get over with and I can only imagine what it sounds like at their house cause I know what it sounds like at my house. And, with all of my windows shut in my house, it sounds like a huge, huge garbage container that somebody's taken and, and just smacking down. And I guess, I'm coming here with some concerns and some questions and the questions I have is that, from what I understand, I was wondering why it got moved from the Kenai Rec. Center to this location and the other concern is that I have is whose liability is it when somebody falls out there and gets hurt and it is in such an isolated place because many times PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 10 I've seen individuals over there on the skateboard and on their bicycles and they're all by themselves, you know, I mean, sometimes it's a gathering of places, but I've gone, as I've driven home from work or walking in the evening, I'll look over there and it might be one individual, and, I mean, I've watched on T.V. and seen some skateboarders and they do some kind of radical, you know, kind of high-risk sorts of things and so, my question is this, is that if somebody falls and gets hurt and nobody's around, whose liable for that? And, as far as our neighborhood? I've talked to several of the neighbors that aren't here this evening and they have little children and their concern was the, it's not just the traffic, it's how fast the traffic goes. We have a section there that has a corner, and right on their corner, there's toddlers that Iive there and it's, it's real fast. I've heard that racket out there at one-two o'clock in the morning. I've called the police and the only thing that they can tell me sometimes is, you know, we're a low priority. That they've got other things that they're attending to and as soon as they can tend to it, they'll get over there. And they, you know, as I've called them several different times, they've told me I wasn't the very first one that called that night. So, I really want, I guess my real big concern is that this isn't the appropriate place for it and I can, I can just, you know, ditto on everything that they're saying. You know, it was like, okay, the, the center was coming and that's great and, you know, I've had two girls and have one that's in Kenai High School right now, and I support all the athletic things --Igo to all the rallies, but this is just the, it's an inappropriate place for this, this sort of facility and I think that there's a huge liability. And, and I can't help but think, you guys, that, you know, a couple years ago there was a young man on a bicycle at four o'clock in the morning. I mean, it's just a bad place for no supervision that time of night and getting as crazy as they are over there. That's it. Goecke: Okay, anybody else? Bob Stanford: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob Stanford and I live at 430 Rogers Raad and I want to start this out, I don't believe, I don't believe these are bad kids or anything and I do believe there's a purpose and there's a need for, for this, but when it's one-thirty in the morning and you can't get to sleep, I don't feel it's an appropriate place. Now, I first moved to Kenai in '66 and there wasn't a whole lot going on in '66 in Kenai and so I know that there's a need for an outlet far young people. You know, these are good kids, I'm sure, but they make way too much noise over there and I just don't feel it's an appropriate place for it. So if you could reconsider this, 1'd appreciate it. I know, I'll sweep it with a broad brush, but I don't any of you would like to live next to what we live next to so please consider that. Thank you. Goecke: Okay, anybody else wishing to speak to this item? PLANNING 8v ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 11 Bill Osborn: Yes, good evening to you. I'm Bill Osborn. I live at 423 Rogers Road. I've lived in that neighborhood since 1969. That's one of the older neighborhoods in the City of Kenai there. Up until this time, we've had a neighborhood that we're all proud of. We try to keep our lawns looking good. We try to keep our homes looking good and then to have this live in to, or move into the middle of our neighborhood out there, I would ask each one of you to consider decision about this tonight here because and two, would each of you like something across the street you're in or your immediate neighborhood like we going to have to live with out there if this passes. And I agree with what some of the other people have said here: We all agree that the kids need a place to practice their activities. As Mr. Fandel said there, I've worked with kids a lot throughout my life and I enjoy working with the kids, but this is something here that's really upset the neighborhood out there. A lot of people didn't come tonight. They figured they had enough representation with the ones that was going to come down here that maybe we could express our views to each one of you out there. So, just, with the increased traffic and the garbage that's out there, I'll this on behalf of the Fandel's, as long as they've had that business out there, you never see a piece of paper or anything on that lawn. You never hear any racket. They have their activities in the afternoon as far as their barbecues and stuff, but you can walk by there and you can't hear any activity of any kind from what those people do. So, I commend them for the operation they run out there. Never had a problem with them in any way. So I'd Iike to thank you for your time and please reconsider. Thank you. Goecke: Anybody else wishing to speak to this item? Okay. I remind you, you have five minutes for your testimony and sign in, state your name and address for the record please. Bean Lacey: My name is Bean Lacey and these folks all have a problem with the little park being there given it's noisy and like they said, the kids need some place to do their business, have their fun, be silly, whatever. Some of the reasons they've all come up with are very valid, very true, but then they start wobbling quite a bit and they start getting off to other things here that kind of are something to complain about. Fair deal. You know there's always something to complain about something in everything you do. If, if we do move this skate park and we put it someplace else, whatever, please do put it someplace. Wherever it does get moved, if it does get moved, give 'ern, give 'em that little bit of something to play on, their ramps, their toys, whatever it is. Someplace, put one someplace. If it stays there, well okay. A suggestion, you know, to knock the noise down thing, since the noise is the primary thing that comes out of what I've heard, is, you know, the back of the ramps, if you spray them ramps with urethane, it'll knock a lot of the sound down with just a deadening urethane foam. Haw much decibels it will lower, I don't know, but it lowers it a lot because there's no vibration once that urethane's sprayed on it. But, but, the big thing, do give the kids some place to ga. lf, if it stays there, good, you know, that's fine. 1 don't live in the neighborhood where these folks so I can't really do any complaining with them on the sounds and stuff. Some of the supervision things, at PLANNING 8s ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE I2 times there's a number of parents over there that goof off, watch their kids do their thing, so there's that little teeny bit of supervision for that one, two, three kids that are there, but the rest of the kids don't have mom or dad's or anyone there. They're doing it themselves like, like they say. But, if it comes to worse to worse, and it does get moved to wherever it goes, please, please move it instead of just eliminate it so that the kids do have someplace to ga, That's the biggest thing there. It's a, just try to keep it for them someplace. That's all I got to say. Thanks. Goecke: Okay, anybody else wishing to speak to this item? Debbie Sonberg: Hi, Debbie Sonberg, 410 Cinderella Street, Kenai, and I'm fully in support of a skateboard park and having that type of activity for the kids and I understand the neighbors' concerns. I have a feeling that if I lived right across the street, I would be up here telling you about the noise. I, I live in the general vicinity. I think that in general nature, the skateboard park is suitable to that area because there's a lot of other outdoor recreation that goes on there and the three-sided facility doesn't curb all of the noise from big activities. I can see where the banging is kind of a different issue. I think facilities like this should be near enough to a neighborhood that the kids can ride their bikes to a facility, not always having to be driven across town. Let's see, we're on the east side of town and there aren't any general used parks available to us like there are on the west side. So, in general, the overall idea, I think, is great. I think there needs to be more supervision like has been mentioned. Maybe, I understand there's a sign there. I was by there today. I didn't actually see it. Rules should be clear posted, large enough so people can read having hours pasted. I think there's ways that noise could be mitigated. I can't say what, what all might do that, but there are several ways that could be cut down. The permit, or the conditional use permit that's being requested isn't specifically for a skateboard park, so I think you need to kind of separate the two issues. It's for outdoor use and you might approve outdoor use with certain qualifications. When there are events that would even be inside the facility, there are still vendors, barbecues, things that could go on in the parking lot area that would be this outside use that's being requested as a permit. So there are two separate issues going on here: skateboard and the outdoor use conditional use permit that's before you. Our kids really need places to go, things to da. One business person told me that she has not had skateboarders going by her, her business, jumping off their ramps since the skateboard park was put up this summer. In year's past, I think even when it was over at the Rec. Center, she had more of that. At the Rec. Center it was crowded and cramped and less safe for the kids. So it has provided some more benefits for the kids where it is now where it couldn't in its previous location and I was wishing Mrs. Fandel would have, you said you had a couple ideas far other locations and I was wishing you would have mentioned those because I, I'm trying to think, how can we provide a place for the kids close enough for them to get to without crossing the PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 13 } highway or having safe crosses for the highway. I don't know where those might be, but I think that needs to be discussed as well. So there are lots of things before that could be used at this facility and being outside of those three walls, we, we stretch outside of there with everything we do, I think. So, I'd like you to consider the permit for what is being requested and then consider the skateboard park as a separate issue. I do have a letter from another resident on Lawton in support of the skateboard park that I would like to leave with the Clerk to, to read into the record. (letter submitted to Clerk Freas, who read it into the record) Clerk Freas: The letter is from Gina M. Kiel, P.O. Box 3444, Kenai, Alaska, 99611 to wham it may concern. This letter is in regards to the portable skateboard park that is currently being used in front of the multi-use facility on the corner of Lawton and Rogers Road in Kenai. As a resident in the neighborhood where the facilities are located (404 Lawton), I would just like to state that I am in favor of keeping the skateboard park where it is. I haven't noticed any negative traffic or noise as a result of these facilities being used and I love having my stepson who is 12 be able to ride his bike and skateboard so close to home. On a separate note, as a business owner (Halcyon Spalon) I appreciate that there has been only one time that bicycle riders have used by sidewalk as a ramp and jump. Sincerely, Gina M. Kiel. Goecke: Okay, anybody else wishing to speak to this item? Tirn Wisniewski: My name's Tim Wisniewski. I live at 5839 Kenai Spur Highway. I'm somewhat representing the Parks & Rec. Commission. I am the chairman. We did meet last night and we, through unanimous consent, supported the skateboard park in that area to remain as is and try to work this situation out if need be. We, we have, I guess, the privilege of seeing, probably the brighter side of what is happening there. I think maybe, maybe the word progress might be the word. I think with progress a lot of things happen good and bad. Kids have been receptive to it. Parents have been receptive to this park. I personally have visited the park and, and I'm not sure what the noise level is, but I've been there all different times of night and I haven't really experienced that and I've, actually I've spent maybe a few hours there at one time after eleven o'clock and there were about five skateboarders there. So, I didn't really see. I heard them going up and down the ramp and no banging. I don't know. I, I think, like I mentioned, progress in our community, we have to give and take. I'm surprised nobody says anything about, in the neighborhood, that says PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 14 about the loudspeakers over at ballpark for the last, you known, twenty-some years, you know and that's progress. We're happy to have a ballpark... Voice: We don't hear them... Wisniewski: Pardon me?... Bryson: Point of order. Goecke: We got ah, not while he's speaking. Wisniewski: But I'm not, I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm just saying that we're, we're in an area where we have, we have a baseball park, we have a high school, we have a middle school, we have a, we have a Boys & Girls Club soccer to the tune of 800 children. This, this area is just a popular, popular area and this was our decision. It's an area that, that is accessible and, and we put all these activities together -- there's parks, there's golf carts, golf course, there's, there's walking trails, and things like that. So, in no means, you know, are we trying to make life miserable for anybody, but we're, we're trying to just promote our community, promote activities within our community and, and we just want to co-exist and I would like some sort of way to meet in the middle on this and, but like I said, like I told the Commission last night, I says I wish i could go out and fill those little washboard things in front of the highway that they put in because I live right on the highway, but I guess, then again, there's progress you know, and, and it's just something I have to live with at this point and, like I said, we're, we're, we're not on this commission to, you know, we thought it was a good decision to change the park from where it was because of the space availability, give the kids a little chance to kind of have a little more room to ride their bikes and I think I kind of opened it up a little bit to where you didn't have these cliques. Yau had these kids that weren't penned in and when a certain group was in there, everybody would co-exist in it. So, this is what we're trying to accomplish. So, you know, if at some point, wherever this leads to, I think, this is what we need to have is some sort of cooperation. Thank you. Goecke: Anybody else wishing to speak to this item? Ms. Fandel, this not normal, but you asked, you raised your hand, asked a question. I'm going to let you ask that question. Fandel: May I give my suggestions? Goecke: Yes, but you need to come to the mike to do it. Fandel: Do I sign in again? Goecke: No. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 15 Fandei: I was going to give my suggestions but then I thought well, I might be dictating and I didn't want to do that. But now I want to dictate. The first suggestion I would have, now that we have athree-sided hockey place, they have an old hockey rink right next to the high school where the old tennis courts are next to the soccer field and the football field. Why can't we put one from the other? Put the hockey there and put the skateboarders where the old hockey rink was. That was my first thought. My second thought is the ballpark across the highway which is park area. It's in there were tent, where people can pitch tents. There's a little, I mean, it's just out Rogers Road to the highway, when you turn left there's that little ballpark. That's the second ane I had thought of. It keeps it in the area. However, we kind of segregated Wildwood area kids from putting this park or skateboards where they are and now it's too far for them to come. So the other suggestion I thought about was Kenai Park, I don't know what other name to say it. It's right next to the building where, across the street from old Nordstrorn's used to be that shopping center where we have Kenai River day and where kids have their play toys are already up there...I got a mosquito...so that was my third place. And these are the suggestions. And the other thing I wanted to make a comment, I had a phone call from Mr. Hultberg tonight and he said he didn't unanimously consent to having it. He said he opposed it so I don't know where the unanimous on the board there. So anyway... Goecke: Okay. Thank you. The public hearing is...she had the...somebody asked them where these places was going to be and that was the reason for her to come up. So, at this point in time, if there's anybody else wish to speak to this item in the public? Okay. Seeing... Wisniewski: Do I have to sign anything? Goecke: No, you had your time. Wisniewski: I just wanted to, just re-answer Mrs. Fandel's question. Fandel: I didn't have a question. It was my suggestion. Wisniewski: No, no, can I just mention something about... Bryson: She, she made a comment concerning Mr.... PLANNING 8v ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 16 Wisniewski: Mr. Hultberg? I wouldn't speak for anybody, but he wasn't at the meeting last night so that was our quorum for unanimous consent. Goecke: Okay. Okay. At this point in time I'rn going to close public hearing and bring it back. Staff? Kebschull: I want to reiterate what Mrs. Sonberg was, stated, is that the issue is that the, the requested amendment to this conditional use permit is to include outdoor use. Skateboard park may be one of those uses, but it's important that you separate that issue from the whole modification of the permit. Goecke: Okay, bring it back to the commissioners. Mr. Bryson. Bryson: Yes, yes I guess I'll first dwell on my own experience with a situations with experience that can approach this. For the first 26 years of my life, I lived immediately across the street from an athletic field that during non-school hours was totally unsupervised and it had screaming, thumping, arguments, and I'm sure it has skateboards now. Maybe I come from a different perspective, but I, I never remember any complaints that were, that went to the civic authorities concerning the activities. Specific to this situation, the area is athletic and it's, it's reasonable that type of activity should occur there. The council will always have the ability to discontinue the activities, at least the skateboard activities at any time they want to if it becomes an noxious situation. Lawton Street is a minor arterial connecting neighborhoods and will always carry, hopefully, bikes, pedestrians, automobiles and it's appropriate that it should and that to me, that's the place they should be, not worrying about that it's the traffic of those activities has increased because there's an activity at a certain location. So, I'll be supporting the motion as presented. Glick: Mr. Chair.. Goecke: Mr. Glick. Glick: Yes, I certainly understand the noise aspect. I live on a street that's fairly busy with kids on bicycles and people in general, skateboards and roller blades and kids that are running around at night with boom boxes in the middle of the night. I don't understand what they're doing out at two and three in the morning because sometimes the boom boxes are so loud they rattle our windows, but, so I certainly understand where they're corning from in that if you were at a place where the kinds were there all the time, there would be a lot more of that kind of thing going on. So I understand the noise problem. Goecke: Okay. Mr. Osborne. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 25, 2002 PAGE 17 Osborne: Mr. Chairman. I understand kids need places to play. I come from a big city. Los Angeles to be exact. To be mare specific, I was raised in Watts so I know what, what it's Iike to have to have some place to play. The kids have a problem and then again they don't. It's their parents that have the problem for allowing kids to be out after ten o'clock at night. Especially having boom boxes and all this kind of stuff, creating noises. It's the parents that should somehow be held responsible for that. I would hate to have to see some kind of a curfew have to go in, but there's really no need for kids to be out past ten o'clock at night. And then, my next question is, why was it moved from the Rec. Center where it used to be? Goecke: Mrs. Nord. Nord: Thank-you Mr. Chairman. While I sympathize with them with that noise problem, also I feel that this is an appropriate area for this type of activity and I don't know what the solution is. Most likely, you probably have to go to the city council and speak with them about it and Parks, I mean, there was a suggestion that maybe urethane would work, I'm not sure. I'm not an engineer and I don't know if that would really stick to steel but there's gat to be some way to eliminate the noise and the problem with the kids. I mean, it's a, it's a kid neighborhood over there. There's kids in every neighborhood in Kenai and that's a concentrated area for activities, outdoor activities and I think it's going to remain that way. It's a educational area and though I do sympathize with the noise problem, and I would certainly hate to live across the street from it myself, I'm going to support this because we're looking at other activities besides just a skateboard park. Goecke: Okay. I too have you know, some concerns about this thing. One place that, well, let me start at the beginning. The first problem I have is, is with the city not applying for this at the beginning. I mean, we, we should be the leaders in this city. We are dragging behind applying for this at this point and I have a problem with that. Number two, if the Commission wishes to approve this, I would like to see a stipulation that there is a fence put around this thing, closed at ten o'clock at night by a policeman so that if, there is I believe, and you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong and I'll stand corrected, but I think that construction must cease in this town by ten o'clock at night because of the noise problems. Okay? So, that should be the same thing. So, and I had, for no further than what it would be, Mrs. Fandel suggested the old ice rink there by the high school, which make a perfectly logical place. It is completely removed from all residences. There's no residences there within, trying to think, probably a hundred and fifty to two hundred yards, maybe more. And, and to move that from its present location over to that, I don't think that would be any undertaking. So, that having been said, that's all I have. Mr. Osborne? PLANNING 8~ ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 18 J Osborne: Oh yeah, I'm thinking too that if it was to move maybe someplace aver by the softball fields, there's a bathroom over there that would be handy for everybody and I don't know about moving it aver to the skating rink, or the old ice rink, because that's probably on school property, so it'd probably have some sort of thing there. Goecke: But it's only used in the winter time. Mr. Bryson. Bryson: I want to keep one point foremost here. We're talking about a general activity. Not a specific activity. The council can end that activity just like that (snapped fingers). And what we're looking at is outside sports activities here in general. Not the rink or a skateboard activity. Bannock: Mr. Chair? If I could weigh in with just a, just a couple of things without trying to give you too much. Mr. Bryson is a hundred percent correct and the ord...the issue that is in. front of you tonight is specifically for a conditional use permit, not for any specifics. Now, you're smart enough to know that you've only heard testimony specific to one specific activity. The beautiful thing about what is in front of you tonight in a conditional use permit is you have the ability to craft those conditions as you see fit in a conditional use permit. I'll remind you of some particular scenarios where we've had conditional use permits where you've limited the number of boats. There have been conditional use permits where you've limited the number of hours. The reason we have conditional use permits as opposed to a rezone is a rezone then, it just then becomes whatever it is that the zoning rules apply for. A conditional use permit, you can, if there are issues that you think are specific the site, if there are issues specific to the activities, it is within your authority to craft then your approval or non-approval based on those things. I certainly am in no position tonight to tell you where this is ultimately going to end, but it is an interesting concept because, in reading, in reading the staff comments, if I could bring you attention to the middle of Page 2, the last line in the, in the documentary reads, "In addition, because events held at this location may involve food and merchandise vendors, it appears appropriate to request that the permit, that the permit allow vendors that are directly related to activities at that location, at the location." I totally agree with the administration's call in regards to that. It is, however, an interesting scenario that we put ourselves in tonight, in that the negative comments . that you've heard tonight, aren't not necessarily specific to the multipurpose facility. So, throw those things out for your discussion. Glick: Mr. Chair... Goecke: Mr. Glick. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 19 1 Glick: I'd like to make an amendment. To amend that no outdoor activities can take place at the site between the hours of 10 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. Osborne: Second. Goecke: Mr. Bryson. Bryson: I'll be speaking in opposition to the amendment. I can see of a lot of activities there that would be less noise producing that no one would even know that anything's going on. I mean, we're talking about inside versus outside at what point is, are you outside of the three-sided construction. I just think that council has the ability to, just with a simple motion, to terminate what is perceived as obnoxious activities and I just think they should retain that ability. Goecke: I understand that yes, in fact, that Mr. Bryson, that, that in fact could, is the way it works. However, and believe, that it was council's request that this thing move from downtown over to that position and I don't know that, but that is what I have heard. And, and, it's the skateboard part of this that has created all the consternation here tonight and yes, we're, you know, it's, it's the big item. This is what this whole thing has come about because of, is the skateboard ramps and jumps and whatever else that they moved over there and so I'm just, you know, and I can appreciate having some place for the kids. I mean, I, I don't have, I'm not against having it, I'm just not sure that this is the right place ar the exact right location for it and...Mrs. Nord. Nord: Question on the amendment, would there be a way, and maybe this is a question for staff, would there be a way to get, for instance, get a permit, if we would limit it to 10 p.m. to $ a.m., if someone was going to have some sort of outdoor activity there at the, at the Center, that would not be noise, is there any process where there would be a permit or would they have, could they go to the city council, I mean, if we word it such that any other activities would have to go through city council Kebschull: I don't think that council would deal with that issue. I think you could word an amendment to specifically denote that, but I think you would get into a subjective area when who's going to determine what is a noisy activity and what isn't a noisy activity I personally don't want to be making that, that decision. Goecke: Can we, thank you, but that brings up a question. Can we then, make in this amendment, a, a provision that says that, like I had asked or said before, to fence this thing at ten o'clock, but make it so that that portion of that locality, i.e. skateboard ramps or jumps or whatever you want to call this thing over there, cannot be used after ten o'clock at night until eight o'clock tomorrow morning? Can that amendment be ah... PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 20 1 Kebschull: It could be made, however, I'm sure you're aware of the city's financial situation and right by requiring fencing it may immediately put it to where it's not a feasible activity far the city to sponsor. Goecke: What did they do with the fence they had? Kebschull: I don't know. I mean, and I think part of the issue with that fence they had was the safety. They felt it was safer, and you might ask Mr, Frates that question, that that fence limited the area and so they felt it was safer not to have the area fenced. That would be a question for someone other than myself and then you also, one more issue would be getting into staffing. You'd have to have somebody that would have to be able to staff it and close the gates so there would be a cost involved there. Goecke: Police officer on patrol. Ten o'clock. Kebschull: Unless there's an emergency. Goecke: Sure. That's understandable, but they don't Iast all night. Kebschull: Well, and I don't know that we can direct the police to lock something in a conditional use permit that's in the Parks and Rec. Department. Bannock: Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair? Goecke: Mr. Bannock. Bannock: I don't want the Commission to delve into trying to be the administration. Again though, I would go back to say, I fully, I fully believe that the Planning 8~ Zoning Commission has the authority to put of conditions. Haw those conditions get enforced are then de facto administration's issues. Okay. No different than if you told a person that was putting in a lemonade stand what their hours could or couldn't be. Haw they accomplished their lemonade stand is not your issue, but you have the authority to tell them what the hours were that their lemonade stand could be open. So, I don't want, I don't want you to encourage to keep going down to give the administration ways to do their job. With no disrespect, of course, to either group. Glick: Mr. Chair,.. Goecke: Mr. Glick. Glick: I'll speak to the amendment. I didn't intend for the amendment to indicate that you couldn't have hockey there, because that's inside the building. It may be a three- sided building, but it's inside the building. I, I can't think of things that happen Pt,ANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 21 between l0 p.m, and $ a.m. that would be outside that would cause, you know, that people would be wanting to do, if they wanted to go skate there in the building. It wasn't my intent to stop, you know, the hockey from taking place and I don't think it does since it's inside the building. It just stops things that are noisy. Goecke: So, it would stop, far clarification for Chair then, it stops the outdoor activity. Is that correct? Glick: Yes. Goecke; Thank you. Glick: That's my intended (inaudible)... Bryson: Yes, I just feel we're talking about flexibility, this is taking away the flexibility. I can think of lots of situations where others, relative to the building, there's going to be outdoor activities. There's a vending, a proposed vending area for food and drinks that right outside the building, or it could be activities in the parking lot just like there have been already. Are they supposed to go to bed at ten o'clock? What likelihood is there of that? I think we need to maintain flexibility and that flexibility is best maintained at the administration, directed by council. That's why I would speak against the amendment itself. Goecke: Okay, any other discussion on the amendment? Okay, so what we, what we are going to be voting on is the amendment to stop outdoor recreation, or not allow outdoor recreational activities from 10 p.m. until 8 a.m. Call the roll. Clerk: VOTE: Nord: No Osborne: Yes Tunseth: Absent Glick: Yes B son: No Erwin: Absent Goecke: Yes MOTION FAILED. Goecke: Okay. So, now, that amendment, the amendment failed. Now we will voting on the regular motion. VOTE ON MOTION AS PRESENTED: Osborne: Yes Tunseth: Absent Glick: No PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 22 B son: Yes Erwin: Absent Goecke: No Nord: Yes MOTION FAILED. Goecke: Okay, that, that application failed. Anyone may appeal that decision to the Clerk across the hall, within 15 days. Verbatim ends. ITEM 5: CONSIDERATION OF PLATS 5-a. PZ02-35-Stecella Subdivision (A subdivision of Government Lot 1'T8J MOTION: Commissioner Glick MOVED to approve PZ02-35 and Commissioner Nord SECONDED the motion. Kebschull reported staff included two contingencies upon which the plat should be approved in the staff report and she recommended the plat be approved with those contingencies as part of the motion. Glick stated it was his intention for the contingencies to be a part of the motion. VOTE: Glick: Yes B son: Yes Erwin: Absent Goecke: Yes Nord: Yes Osborne: Yes Tunseth: Absent MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 5-b. PZ02-38-Valhalla Heights Subdivision -Frank Addition MOTION: Commissioner Nord MOVED to approve PZ02-38 and Commissioner Glick SECONDED the motion. There were no additional comments from staff or Commission. VOTE: PLANNING 8v ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 23 B san: Yes Erwin: Absent Goecke: Yes Nord: Yes Osborne: Yes 'I~znseth: Absent Glick: Yes MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. BREAK TAKEN: 8:20 P.M. BACK TO ORDER: 8:35 P.M. ITEM 6• OLD BUSINESS 6-a. Discussion -- Draft amendment to Recreation Zone Kebschull reminded the Commission, upon their last review of the amendment, they requested Building Official Springer and Public Works Manager La Shot to review the proposed changes to the zone description that she and the city attorney had prepared. She noted, that was done and several minor changes had been made. Upon the Commission's request, La Shot and Springer were present to answer any questions. Additionally, Kebschull reported the city attorney had been asked to prepare an amendment to the "recreational vehicle" portion of the code and that information was included in the memorandum which was included in the packet. Kebschull asked if the Commission had any questions and if they wanted to set a public hearing date based on the information provided. The Commission had no additional comments and consensus was to direct administration to proceed with scheduling a public hearing. ITEM 7• ITEM 8: ITEM 9: ITEM 10: 10-a. packet. -- None. -- None. -- None. REPORTS City Council -- Bannock reported the following information: An action agenda of the June 19 council meeting was included in the • An appeal to the Board of Adjustment was scheduled for 7:00 p.m., July 17 in regard to the conditional use permit approved to add cabin rentals on property in Angler Acres. PLANNING 8s ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 24 J 10-b. Borough Planning -- Bryson reviewed the Borough Planning Commission agenda and actions taken during their meeting of June 24, 2002. 10-c. Administration -- Kebschull reported the following: • 'I~vo public hearings would be held at the Commission's July 10 meeting. • She discussed with the city attorney how to proceed with the amendment the Commission created to the educational zone and would bring information back to the Commission tentatively at their July 10 meeting. She added, he suggested they try to schedule meetings with representatives of the borough, school district, land management and the Commission to list properties that could be included in an education zone. Upon those discussions, a public hearing will be scheduled. ITEM 11: PERSONS PRESENT NOT SCHEDULED Brad Zubeck -- In regard to action taken on PZ02-34, Zubeck questioned why there was no discussion on his opposition to the variance request. Referring to comments in the staff report of the variance request, he noted, of the four lots to be included in the subdividing of Government Lot 178, three of the lots would not meet the minimum size requirements of 20,000 square feet in a rural residential zone. Zubeck noted, minimum lot sizes had been set for a reason and he felt the Commission should have substantial reasons to grant a variance from the requirements instead of those opposing the variance to defend their reasons for not wanting the variance approved. ITEM 12: 12-a. ITEM 13: ITEM 14: INFORMATION ITEMS "Zoning Bulletin" -May 25, 2002 & June 10, 2002 COMMISSION COMMENTS & QUESTIONS -- None. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:10 p.m. Minutes trancs~cribed and prepared by: C~~~ ~5 . ~.~~C~~ Carol L. Freas, City Clerk PLANNING 8v ZONING COMMISSION JUNE 26, 2002 PAGE 25